SPEAKER_06 0:00

What's the deal?

SPEAKER_01 0:00

What's the story? Like the why, you know? And um, so to the end on that one was like so perfect. Because yeah, he interviews you guys, but like so tell the story, you know. And he prompts you guys so well through the whole thing.

SPEAKER_04 0:12

He did okay. Yeah, he's a he's a character.

SPEAKER_06 0:15

He's alright. He did okay. He's a character.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

He did so good.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Well, then I got my own.

SPEAKER_04 0:20

No, he he prepared for that one.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

You could tell. Yeah, he was well prepared. He um like you guys should do that each year, or like have like special occasions where like Ryan comes back and does like a recap.

SPEAKER_05 0:30

He's very intertwined, you know. My wife dances with his mother.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 0:35

And so my mother comes up and goes, Do you know Ryan? And I'm like, Yeah, it's just I dance with his mother.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

Dance, dance dance with it.

SPEAKER_05 0:41

Line dancing. Oh line dancing with it, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 0:44

What I love doing is seeing Ryan's mom at the Moriel pool because she's a big pool person. So I'll go over to her. I'm like, hey, Mrs. Corbett. Yeah. And then I half tell her some story about Ryan. I'm like, you should ask Ryan about. And then she's like, I don't even want to know the rest of that. I'm like, no way you do. Laura might be one of the things. So Ryan's like, nice thing. Yeah, no people.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

You guys should have Laura on.

SPEAKER_06 1:05

Yeah, she'd be cool. Because she's taking in all sorts of students and she's a fascinating person. We should have Laura on. Yeah. She'd be great. Imagine his mom's on here and then we can bust on Ryan the whole time with his mother. Ryan's just listening to his mom ripping on him. Like, Ryan was young, he grew up, and it was shit as bad. We're like, oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

He was 17. And you do it the same way. You just you you keep it quiet.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

You don't know. And then as she's walking in here, like I did today, yeah. Hey, I'm gonna be on the podcast. Yeah, we don't even run.

SPEAKER_06 1:40

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

So everybody, is he still participating in the text messages? Because I'm still getting text. Are you getting he's gonna participate all day?

SPEAKER_06 1:49

I stopped returning his text this morning, so now I'm off.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

Awesome.

SPEAKER_06 1:53

So you should be about that that close to the mic. A little closer, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:59

I know you're gonna lean back, but then being there makes a difference.

SPEAKER_05 2:02

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:03

There I am.

SPEAKER_05 2:04

There I am, everybody.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

Yeah, she is. Now we can hear you.

SPEAKER_06 2:07

All right.

SPEAKER_05 2:07

Ready to kick this off? Oh it was just like a few minutes ago.

SPEAKER_06 2:13

Let's get that going again. Okay. You ready, Jeff? Ready. Good. Heavy hearing. Nice, thank you. Okay, go Frank Zappa, everybody. Good morning to Frank Zappa. Good morning. I need a Zappa opening. It's beautiful, man. We've never had a Zappa. Alright, never mind. What? Good morning. I was gonna do a few. Are you okay? Zap. No, no. Overly caffeinated. Overly caffeinated. Frank Zappa, Joe's Garage.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

I love you turned podcasting into an indoor sport. That's what's happened. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:54

Glenn was just doing uh burpees before he jumped on the map.

SPEAKER_06 2:57

No, I don't do burpees anymore. That's injured. Burpees are out.

SPEAKER_04 3:02

I think I've said this before. My friend has a t-shirt that says burpees hate you too.

SPEAKER_06 3:06

Yeah. Freaking great doing burpees. Come on. Amazing. Anyway, we got an amazing guest on the podcast. So we got.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Who's that? I don't know. Oh, yeah. Who is this?

SPEAKER_06 3:19

What's happening? We have uh licensed clinical social worker, life coach, we have parenting coach, we have owner of Gardner Collective. No. Nope. No. No.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

So vendor at the collective. Okay, vendor at the collective. Friend and supporter of the collective. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 3:38

I was I you had me a life coach. You're here actually to give Jeff an intervention. Finally. Thank you. The help took so long. Heather Barton, everybody. Heather. Yes. Welcome, Heather. Thank you. So you have many hats you're wearing.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yeah, I like to say like a Jane of many trades. Like not a like a John of all trades. What's that? Jack of all trades. Jack, Jack. Yeah. I'm a Jane. Jane of many. Not all. Many. Many trades. Also Reiki master, teacher.

SPEAKER_06 4:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw all that too.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Um, mom.

SPEAKER_06 4:09

Mom. Which is the toughest job around. Thanks.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Hardest but best. Hardest but best. Hardest but best.

SPEAKER_06 4:15

It's my favorite job. Just being a parent is brutal. I mean, it's great, but it's tough.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Are we here for parent coaching, actually?

unknown 4:23

No.

SPEAKER_04 4:24

Listen, I'm super interested to hear about all this. I didn't know any of this stuff.

SPEAKER_06 4:28

Here's my problem. It's not a problem. I'm just too telling Mel. And Mel's like actually Mel's like, here's your problem. She's like, you're just too good of a listener. And you listen to everything that happens to all of us in this house and you give us your full attention. And I was like, I just don't have the bandwidth for another kid to come home, and it's a two-hour, and then I'm asking questions. Well, how'd that how's it going? And I'm like, I'm exhausted. I'm like, this is why and I don't want to be this guy. While they're talking about this is why a lot of dads are like, I'm in the garage drinking, looking at my golf clubs. But I'm like listening. My kids are like telling me all this stuff, and I know everything.

SPEAKER_04 5:07

You're just thinking of all the bets you made while they're talking to you.

SPEAKER_06 5:10

No, they come home and they're like, just yesterday. Like it was 10:30, Tess is rolling in. And I'm like, Don't tell us all Tess is don't don't air Tess is. No, I'm not. But she's like, I have so much to tell. I was like, we did listen to it, Mel and I'm listening. Great. Everyone went to bed. It was well after midnight. She's listening. Real life trouble.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Well, I think that's the important thing. I mean, that you're the only male in the house. That's a lot. I got Reggie.

SPEAKER_06 5:36

Reggie's here now.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

It's probably actually why you're doing this podcast. Yeah. With your with your boys, your guys, your buds.

SPEAKER_06 5:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:45

This is my guy time. Yeah. No burping.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Important.

SPEAKER_06 5:49

That's some lose before. So anyway, it's all good. So anyway, we're here to talk about you, not listen to my old man problems. If we're here to listen to my clients old man for problems, I don't want to get an old man problem chaos. Next thing you know, sometimes when I start going down the rabbit hole, Jeff's like, since when did this become the old man rant cast?

SPEAKER_01 6:06

But it shows that you're sad that they're talking to you. That's right. Right? That's true. They're all talking to you, they're sharing. That's a good sign. And you're exhausted, but that means you're you're putting in the work.

unknown 6:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:17

No. Nice. I'm doing something.

SPEAKER_04 6:20

She's already validated, Glen. So doing your job. Nice.

SPEAKER_06 6:23

Thank you, Heather.

SPEAKER_04 6:24

Not paying you though for this guy.

SPEAKER_06 6:26

Sorry. It's a freebie. By the way, if you want a seltzer, anybody wants more seltzer, there's one in that little fridge. Don't even think of drinking that little ginger beer. The ginger beer? Yeah, definitely. I saw it in there. I know you did. So tell us how, tell us a little bit about Heather Barton.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Hmm. Okay. So, oh, where to begin? Um, it's funny because I was kind of like taking notes, you know, for the podcasting and like what to talk about. And I think you're more prepared than we are, by the way. Born and raised, baby. Born and raised. Born and raised. And I thought, so I kind of, because I have to share that. I was listening to uh podcast episode number 61 with Ryan Corbett. Go back and listen. Corbett, he owes me money in Corbett.

SPEAKER_04 7:06

Son of a bitch. Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

It's a good one to start with if you're curious about the story behind the podcast. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:12

Thanks for that plug.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

You're welcome. Because that's another thing. I'm a little gene of that trade, which is like marketing and communications, which is why I do this stuff with the collective. Oh, I'm also a communications director over at Redeemer New Paul's for the community spaces initiative. Um so I do that too. So you're you're a gene of all trades.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

You said anything.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Yeah, you know what it is? I really I like I love people. I love helping people. And so friends with all that is is really like a people person.

SPEAKER_06 7:40

And you're a great, you're a great swim fan too. I love it. Let's not forget that.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

Yeah, I love it. So I was not a swimmer growing up. I think we should also uh put on the table, I'm not an endurance athlete by any stretch or definition. That's okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:56

That's okay. We still like you. Yeah, we do.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

So I'm happy that the podcast stretched its uh zone of genius. We do a lot.

SPEAKER_06 8:02

We actually do mostly people now.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Yeah, I think it's great.

SPEAKER_06 8:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

It's a it's a local cast.

SPEAKER_06 8:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

So um, so born and raised here.

SPEAKER_06 8:11

Which a real local, not one of these people that moved up from like the city in 2011. Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

All right, here goes the crash. Downloads quickly decline.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Everyone stops listening. Born and raised. Born and raised. And literally, uh my family moved here um for me to go to kindergarten to start school here.

SPEAKER_06 8:32

From you remember who your kindergarten teacher was?

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Oh, yes. Um, wait, hold on a second. No, um shoot, I used to know all these. Shout out to the women because of perimenopause. But um, give me a second. I I used to know all my teachers. Miss Peterson was one of my favorites. I had Miss Rogers as my AP Calc teacher.

SPEAKER_04 8:49

I think I know her husband, Mr. Rogers.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

Neighborhood? No, no, no, but Tim Rogers' mom. Tim Rogers' mom. Ted Mom and Roger. I just saw her cool. Tim Rogers' mom.

SPEAKER_04 8:59

Tim Romers. Yo, real quick, when I was in Miami, I ran into Tim Rogers.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

No way.

SPEAKER_04 9:04

What was he doing? Just hanging out? They were just hanging out. They had just got we were last night, and we were at this little like um, we were just outside, you know, we weren't like in downtown Miami. We were in Coral Gables, Coconut Grove area, and uh visiting a friend, and we were it was like a giant Water Street market type of place. And um all of a sudden I hear I hear my name. Like, I turn around, Tim's sitting there with Kimber and and their kids, and they're just like That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

That is awesome.

SPEAKER_06 9:30

Yeah, that's great. A small world. And here's a bit of podcast. I pretended I didn't know him and kept on walking though. What distinction does Tim Rogers have in this podcast? What distinction does he have? Yep, he holds a title of something. On the only mayor we've had on? No. Well, he's also the only one that's been on twice.

SPEAKER_04 9:49

Oh, fun.

SPEAKER_06 9:50

The only one?

SPEAKER_04 9:51

Yep. Twice. Yep. Wrong. Who? Dave Barra. Well, capacities.

SPEAKER_06 9:57

What's that? Different capacities.

SPEAKER_04 9:59

Okay. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_06 10:00

Anyway, anyway, let's get going. Let's get back to Heather. Fantastic. Okay, well, are you still here?

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Come on, tell us about yourself. I'm a great listener. I'll sit here in the whole day. Um well what the thing I want to fast forward to real quick is um becoming a Seahawks family.

SPEAKER_06 10:16

By the way, Mel's digging out some shirts for you, so I'll make sure we get some pictures of those t-shirts.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Love that. Love that. Another role in the town. So um, so I was not a swimmer.

SPEAKER_06 10:25

You know, I did like uh you guys are connected because you didn't even know you're both on the swim board, did you?

SPEAKER_01 10:30

We didn't know. Of course we know we're on the board together. I just want to know.

SPEAKER_06 10:32

I know you know, but Jeff's clueless. Yeah, I knew. We just saw.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Amazing. Um, anyway, when so Maggie, my daughter, uh, became a Seahawk swimmer when she was seven. And so the whole thing was new to me. I had no idea, as most parents don't, what you're gonna be about to get involved in, right? Yeah, true. I mean, um, but I'll never forget going through that season and then the um like uh like pep rally day, right? Is that their last day when they're all in the pool, you know, just hanging out and going crazy. And there's this the most beautiful thing you're signing up for as a parent is the community you get to be a part of. It's tremendous, it's incredible. And I think that um, you know, just being with parents all the time, because as much as we are so busy and we'll love to spend time together, we can't coordinate our schedules to see each other as much as you can. You want you want to see your friends, the parent friends get them swimming. Join Seahawks, yeah. You'll see your friends all the time, you'll hang out with their friends all the time. Yeah, it's like it's what really community is supposed to be. Yep. And this like beautiful little confined moment is all these families together, yeah, working hard, laughing, you know, scrambling. The kids are just running around, but also it's so safe, right? Like, if you have any, like, oh, my kid, and and and letting them, you know, fly their wings, it's like, oh, but it's all contained. Yeah. My kid can wander around the pool and everyone's here, and and uh, and then little kids and big kids and the big little program, and it's just the sweetest thing I think New Paul's has to offer.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

We have a tremendous program. I mean, we could do something by the coaches, it'd be great.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

We could release one in particular, it'd be real stellar. Stellar.

SPEAKER_06 12:26

We run into other adults like who we've been around for 25 years plus, and they're like, our social life crashed. Oh, when Seahawks ended. Seahawks ended.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Oh, I could I could imagine.

SPEAKER_06 12:39

Like we still are lost on Wednesdays.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

I could imagine. I mean, I tell people, look, July is fast and furious, but it's the greatest time. I think I'm I'm smiling every day.

SPEAKER_06 12:48

July is crazy. And people come to me, and that first year was like, we were like, what the hell happened to July? Yeah, people are like, my friends are like, hey, we're thinking of going to Pittsburgh on July to see a Mets Pirates game. We're gonna play golf. I'm like, July, dude? Yeah, it's like the busiest month of the year for me.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:05

Not going anywhere. I go from here to the pool.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

I literally I told the president of our board that I might uh take all my vacation for the month of July just to get through the season. And she was like, I don't know how people have a job in July.

SPEAKER_06 13:18

It's so much and do Seahawks, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:21

And like this year we're for of August 1st, right? Do so's people are already calling me up. When's DuSo's planning their vacation? That's a good Seahawks family. Yeah, the entire vacation plan around Seahawks.

SPEAKER_01 13:32

Yeah, yeah, post that season wrap-up. So the greatest thing. Love Seahawks. Fest little thing in Newport.

SPEAKER_06 13:38

Tell us, tell us about all right, tell us about some of the life coaching stuff. Yeah. How'd you get into that? Where'd you get this degree?

SPEAKER_01 13:46

You sure, sure.

SPEAKER_06 13:46

So your master's you hold advanced degrees.

unknown 13:49

Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

So I have my master's in social work, clinical social work, um, with a minor in macro, if that matters at all, to anybody listening out there. Um so I uh am 1996 alumni from Newport's high school, and my like pivotal moment in doing like what I wanted to do, um, walking around the high school when you used to be able to walk around the high school during lunch. And uh and uh my friend kind of pulled me to the side, and you know, our classes were you know graduating class at New Paul's like 125 or something right back then at least. And so you knew everybody, but um you weren't necessarily besties all the time. So anyway, so she pulled me to the side and she just was like, I really need to talk to you. And so we're walking around the school, she's talking, blah, blah, blah. And she said, Um, Heather, I always uh no matter how close we are or not, I know I can always come to you when I need to talk to somebody. And that was just like my light bulb moment.

SPEAKER_06 14:40

Like, oh, this is So this is your epiphany.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

This is my epiphany. This is like, oh, this is my special gift, and I love doing it. I love being the person someone can come talk to when they need like support to process whatever. So that launched me into psychology, was my undergrad degree at University at Buffalo.

SPEAKER_06 14:56

Oh, UB, baby.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

UB Buffalo. Yeah, big school, big school, far away. Tons of snow for no good reason. I'm a big downhill skier.

SPEAKER_04 15:03

It's like the bus There's no downhill skiing.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

It's like a molehill. It was the most upsetting moment of my life to go there, join the ski club, go to the mountain, and you could see the top of the uh it was like a mole hill.

SPEAKER_06 15:17

It never stops snowing in Buffalo.

unknown 15:20

Why?

SPEAKER_06 15:21

No, they just drive over the snow.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

One spring, one spring break. Shout out to Wendy Zuckerman and Jessica Emerson.

SPEAKER_06 15:27

We uh you graduated with Wendy Zuckerman? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

You still talk to her? Uh-huh.

unknown 15:31

Sure.

SPEAKER_06 15:32

Then I said hello.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

We'll do it right now.

SPEAKER_06 15:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Hi, Wendy.

SPEAKER_06 15:35

Hi, Wendy. Sure, she's a big listener. Listen, I was uh I taught at New Paul's High School in 1996.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

Our graduating year. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 15:47

So Wendy was in my class.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Got it.

SPEAKER_06 15:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:51

And then I went back to Walk Hill.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

So we're getting ready to go on spring break to Key West, and uh there's literally five feet of snow in the front, and like in all of Buffalo. You can't, there's no shoveling. And somehow this crazy taxicab driver does eventually arrive, picks us up. We nearly die on the way. But Buffalo, I mean, our friend was five foot zero. We're like, you can't go outside, we'll lose you in the snowpiles. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 16:16

It's just crazy.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

So Buffalo. Buffalo takes me to Boston University, is where I get my master's in social work. Love Boston. Fairly. Oh, Boston University. Okay. No, Red Sox is Maris. Red Foxes. Yeah, that's Maris.

SPEAKER_06 16:30

Okay, no worries.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

Yeah. So B U. So um B U.

SPEAKER_06 16:33

That's the that's the Eagles.

unknown 16:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 16:36

Good. Doesn't matter. Yeah. Let's move on.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

So and when I'm there, I'm realizing what I really well, in my undergrad, I realized what I really want to do is um study um early childhood development, social emotional development of young children. And um BU offered an infant mental health course in consortium. Um and so from there, yeah, like zero to five were my my favorite favorite kiddos to work with. Uh, did early intervention, preschool special ed, head start programs. And in that first year of my job at a Head Start program, huge program, like um This Head Start is up in Boston. This was like outside of Boston in a um city called Brockton and they had like an elementary school-sized building, um, and then two satellite campuses. There was over like 300 Head Start students in that program. Wow. And I was their behavior specialist. And I was working with kids like in the classroom, in groups, and then also in one-to-one work. And pretty quickly within that first year, I realized if I'm gonna have real major impact on kiddos like mental health development, that working with the parent who's with that kid every other hour of the day, days of the week, weeks of the year, that's how I'm really gonna support them. Really help the k parent understand what their child needs from them for their mental health development, for their wellness. And so that really just set me on this course back in.

SPEAKER_06 18:01

So this is your grad school program. Yeah, that's what yeah, this is a cool grad school program.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

Yeah, the way, yeah. It was really great. This was that was the first year of my career, but mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:10

So how long were you in Boston or a Boston vicinity?

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Um, I was there for maybe four-ish years.

SPEAKER_06 18:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

But um It's a cool city. I l I love Boston. Yeah. If if if I could just make a magic wand, I'd I'd live there easily. Get your dunkin'.

SPEAKER_06 18:27

It's your dunkin'. The socks in town.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Maybe there'll be sponsors.

SPEAKER_06 18:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

We'll take a sponsor.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

I'll tell you what, you guys.

SPEAKER_04 18:36

I mean, yeah, I'll take Dunkin' Jonas as a sponsor. I guess.

SPEAKER_06 18:39

I hate their coffee. Yeah, it's cynic. Yeah, it's all nice coffee, but I get free coffee from Village Grind now, so I don't go anywhere. There you go. I came in third on that thing. Oh, did you really? So I just go in there. They're like coffee in the Danish. I sit down and eat it, and I leave. That's great. That's great. That's great. So you're in Boston, then you come back to Newpaltz.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Yep. Yep. Um, so the long trip is Boston leads me to White Plains, White Plain leads me to Beacon, Beacon brings us back to Newpaltz. Okay. Yeah, to raise Maggie here. Yeah. Because um at that time. How old is Maggie? She's 16.

SPEAKER_06 19:15

Okay. Driving yet? Is she driving yet?

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Almost. We're teaching her. She got a permit?

SPEAKER_06 19:20

Must be fun.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

I won't say too much.

SPEAKER_06 19:26

I will tell you my driving experience. Maybe yours are similar. It was nerve-wracking driving with kids.

SPEAKER_04 19:31

Yeah, I can imagine.

SPEAKER_06 19:32

And like they both, like Josie failed, which is because Josie never failed a test in her life until she took her driver's test three times. Oh. And she's like, yeah. And then she was so pissed because she failed like in Highland or whatever. Kingston, Catzel. She's like, the further north you go, the easier it gets. Like she told me we're gonna end up. Canada. You should send kids out to the table. That's rock and roll there.

SPEAKER_05 19:57

I went with a driving instructor. It was so much easier that way with my older daughter. It was better for the testing. I did that too.

SPEAKER_06 20:02

It was better for Tyler.

SPEAKER_05 20:04

And they let you take the car, and then there was no beef between us. I hired an instructor for tests. I drove with tests too, but then I hired an instructor.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Well, what we've done now is we're gonna um we're gonna send this over to her grandfather, who's an amazing driver, uh, Ziggy, as we all who could be the uh he's also a tremendous you could have him on this podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Uh because he drove like 18-wheelers, like the big trucks for Central Hudson. Yeah. You know, up and over. He tells he can tell you a million stories. Maggie is uh a lover of listener of his stories, and so she can reiterate many of these stories. And uh so we're like Ziggy, I think it's time for you to Maggie and start teaching her some some things.

SPEAKER_06 20:46

And better than to her. And in part, some legitimate old man wisdom. Oh, he's got like real life stories.

SPEAKER_05 20:53

Yeah, but they should be on this, they should be dialed in. They own all these electric cars. I was so jealous of my kids. They had the electric jeeps to drive around the lawn. We never had any of that growing up. We either took the car and went joyriding under age, or we didn't drive. I was like throwing rocks at stop sign. That was there was nothing else.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

My family, my family did have because of my dad. My dad loved like motocross and like uh four-wheelers, so I did have that a little bit in my house in my yard. So that helped me with some experience. My dad was a great teacher of driving. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:21

Yeah, I tri it's nerve-wracking. Yeah. You know what they do now? Remember when we all took our driver's test? They're like, hey, you passed. So I didn't realize until my kids start taking driver tests that they're like, okay, here, check this website at 6 30. I'm like, you don't even tell you if they passed? They're like, no. So I was like, why?

SPEAKER_04 21:39

No, at the end of the test, the goal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:41

The guy looks at you and he's like, You're done. No, no, they don't they're totally emotionless. And they're like, check the website, and I was like, kind of pissed off. I'm like, yeah, because they were.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

What's the what are we waiting for?

SPEAKER_06 21:50

Did people get beat up? Instructors are like, I'm sorry, you failed. They're like, Yeah. How about this? Yeah, put your seatbelt on, buddy. We're going for a ride.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

I'm tired of watching the girls cry. I mean I cried. I failed the test. I just knocked you out. Yeah. I he was like, You failed. And I was like, wait, what? And then I just started crying. Yeah. Yeah. They don't want to deal with the crying, crying teenage girls. Yeah, probably not.

SPEAKER_06 22:11

Maybe not.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

All right. So let so yeah. Let's get back. This is how it goes. I'm sorry. I love it. You know how it goes.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Should we talk about Ryan again? Just throw him in here. Corbett. Well, let's put it on, let's put it on the record. I really think he should come back each for your annual uh podcast anniversary. And Ryan does a little like recap. It was so great what he did. Asking about like your favorite moments. I mean, you know, we do that once.

SPEAKER_04 22:38

We can't keep doing that.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Each year, sure, why not?

SPEAKER_04 22:40

It doesn't change. I'm I'm sensing some Corbett.

SPEAKER_06 22:44

Yeah, he's planted this. He's planted this. Corbett could come. Listen, I just want it for the record. Corbett could come on the podcast anytime he wants. He's well loved by me. Clearly, the hatred's oozing out of Jeff.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

I love Ryan Corbett.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

He's a great friend.

SPEAKER_04 23:00

He's a great guy, and he's welcome on this podcast. It's true. He can walk in right now and be like, mic him up.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Here's the other thing.

SPEAKER_04 23:07

We don't have an extra mic, sorry.

unknown 23:09

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

You know, we should we should pitch in and buy one just in case he shows up one day.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Oh, that's a whole new album. Tom, remind me to Venmo you today.

SPEAKER_06 23:17

Oh, meet him right here.

SPEAKER_05 23:18

Take out the C C for me. What's that mean? Yeah, what does that mean? The C C entry fee. Oh. Yeah, take the free.

SPEAKER_06 23:26

All right, we'll talk later. Anyway, so tell us kind of breaks the idea. Endurance out. That's your cabin challenge cycling race. Got it. Yeah. So you're a life coach. Yeah. Now, all right.

SPEAKER_04 23:38

What was the wait, so you're you are now you you have your degree. I could be a life coach. I'm not certified, but I think I could do it. Good God. And then could help us all.

SPEAKER_06 23:49

And then let's hear the professional.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

I don't want to blow the mic and laugh.

SPEAKER_06 23:52

Let's hear the professional. Wait, hold on. Not I'm not like dismissing how important it is. I can't handle anybody's emo like uh the real heavy lifting of the emotional life coaching, but the planning their day out.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_06 24:08

I could be like, wait, Dave, we're gonna go shopping.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Let me just I'm gonna clarify a couple things. So so the life coaching, yeah. So we with as a clinical social worker, someone who has their clinical training, right? You can also do coaching um separately, and that's a special kind of situation. You have to there's all these like rules and regulations about the work we do, right? Because we're licensed, etc. Yeah. So um, but separately, yes, people can also just be straight life coaches, let's say having no clinical training background.

SPEAKER_06 24:36

Just you're I got a slick website next to you that you're telling them what to do.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Yeah, because it's not regulated. The term life coach is not a regulated term. So um, but but there is, and here I am like always helping people, and here I'm gonna coach you. I mean, but people can take coaches in all sorts of ways because you you become an expert in a thing, right? So you can, because of your experience, legitimizes you as someone who can help others in this path that you say I can help you on that path because of the experience I have or the knowledge I have. So it's a legitimate thing.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

So are you are you practicing as a life coach?

SPEAKER_01 25:09

So I have yeah, I have some clients who I coach because they don't want to really be involved from like a clinical perspective. Um, and also sometimes with coaching, it offers people that they've they don't want to use their insurance, which means then there's also like a financial aspect, right? If you don't, if you're okay financially that you can have this kind of service with you know just paying out of pocket, yeah, then you kind of have the liberty of being a coaching client versus a like a clinical therapy client, right? Where we've gonna we're in if we're gonna involve your insurance, we're talking about diagnoses and treatment plans and goal. You have to do that, but because of your insurance if it's therapy, if I'm calling it therapy and I'm using the insurance, yes, one would needs to do all those things.

SPEAKER_04 25:55

Yeah. So now I'm interested. So then um are you practicing as a clinical therapist? Yes. So how do you separate how do you actually say, so I'm doing this as your clinical therapist, but that person's also like, hey, I want to I want to talk to you some life coaching outside of this, I'm not gonna use insurance. Is it just straight, I'm just gonna pay you cash, and then then that's not involved? So how does your licensing impact your ability to do life coaching?

SPEAKER_06 26:22

Or can't you say, hey, let's just call it therapy, but we'll do life coaching. That way your insurance pays.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Yeah, sure. So so well, one person would never do both things, let's say, right? So if they're coming to me for therapy, um much of what one can do as a coach, you would do as a therapist, let's say, right? So um if I have a kind of a very solutions-based focus when I do counseling and therapy, um, I'm really helping someone achieve the um relief they're they're seeking. And I really believe in like behavior change. And so what I tell people, whether it's their own stuff or it's like parenting issues, I'm really gonna be super nuanced and it might drive them a little bit like baddie that when they talk to me about certain incidences that happen in their life, I'm gonna ask them to kind of tell it to me like I'm a fly on the wall. Because it's not that the devils are in the details, but the solutions are. Because when it comes to behavior management and behavior change, which is what eventually changes your life because it's the behavior you're taking. Um, I've got to see what behaviors you're currently doing and all the like the antecedents and all the like reactive um triggers, and where can I implement some interventions to reroute like the triggers and the reactions so that I can start to smooth a new pathway forward. Does that make sense? Yes, yeah, it does. Yeah. And so I have to really see like so if it's like a parent-child interaction, for instance, the other day, um, and so not using names, et cetera, et cetera, you know, it was like, oh, he really got so angry. I didn't like how he was acting, I can't even really remember what happened. And and so it's like, well, well, can't solve a thing if we don't know what happened that brought on the huge emotional reaction, right? So, and eventually with enough questions, totally got all the information we needed. But I always like to prep them. I'm gonna ask you a lot of questions, it's gonna feel kind of annoying. But and I'll say what I said here, it's because the solutions are in the details.

SPEAKER_04 28:34

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

Which I'm sure you find with endurance training. It's not just like I get up and run. Like there's a plan, there's behaviors, there's a strategy. Like you can't just kind of willy-nil it. And that's kind of what's hard about parenting.

SPEAKER_05 28:48

That's the problem. It's been holding you back. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Shit. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing with parenting. We're all just kind of going for it. Not a lot of training, not a lot of prep, not a lot of planning. You know what? And uh, I mean, that's why I'm just so passionate about it.

SPEAKER_06 29:08

I tell my kids all the time, like something happens, I'm like, and I'll say, listen, I do, I'm, and my dad will, I'm way better than grandma and grandpa's a parent. Way better. They'll, by their own admission, night and day. Guess what? You I'm good, parent. You need to be better than me. Every generation's got to get better. I'm like, I made 25 decisions today regarding all three of you. 23 panned out. Two were terrible.

unknown 29:33

Right.

SPEAKER_06 29:33

You know, but guess what? I did pretty good. You guys gotta get 24 out of 25.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

My favorite thing that I found myself saying to my kid, and so then it's like the thing I share with all other parents, is um uh because you have to ask some questions and kind of pry and you know, whatever. My kid's not an oversharer, not to talk about her life. Um, so it it it takes some questions.

SPEAKER_06 29:55

And my Yeah, you better not talk too much. She's gonna listen.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

She's gonna listen. I'm not saying a word. Um, I'll I my favorite thing was what kind of mom would I be if I didn't, you know, fill on the blank? A shitty mom. I don't know if we were allowed to swear on the podcast.

SPEAKER_06 30:12

Yeah, we swear on the card.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

I I own that like this is it's actually my job. It's our job to do some of these things that you absolutely find annoying, appropriately so. But also, I don't want to do really bad at this job. I'd like to excel. I'd like to kind of feel like I've done a good job. So I'm doing this thing and it's totally annoying. I'm naming that, and I'm still gonna do it because I want to be a good parent to you.

SPEAKER_04 30:33

Yeah. I had to tell my daughter that the other day. She got really, really upset. She wanted to wear shorts to school.

SPEAKER_06 30:40

Come on, Jeff. You're controlling this and and I said, I was like, I was like, it's gonna be 43 degrees in the morning.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

You can't wear shorts to school. And she's like, I'm gonna be hot. And I'm like, I'm good. You're gonna be at the bus stop freezing your butt off, and it's gonna be 43 degrees. And it turns out at like at like 10 30 or like noon, before noon, it was like 65, and I walked outside my office and I was like, it's pretty nice out.

SPEAKER_06 31:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:03

I was like, I'm not wearing a jacket. She totally could have worn shorts today. I don't know what her body feels like. You know what I mean? Like, I don't I might be cold and she's hot, right?

SPEAKER_06 31:13

But you also gotta know when it'd be like, dude, it's it's January work, put your freaky coat on.

SPEAKER_04 31:17

But you know, at the same time, I have to be like, so I told her, like that night, she was like, you know, dad, like three kids had shorts on today. And I was like, you know, I thought about it, and I realized, I was like, I actually had this thought, and I was wrong. And I'm like, I'm sorry. But I also am your dad, yeah, and I thought it would be cold, and I have to make decisions that you're yeah, you might think are legit. Real time, but I thought it was a bad move. That's what you do. And I was like, but I'm sorry. You you probably could have worn shorts and been fine.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

What's beautiful about that, I think, and I it's another great thing that I think kind of newer generations of parents are doing, which is like we own our mistakes, we name them, and we like we apologize if we like, you know.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

Yeah, my mom would have been like, that's right.

SPEAKER_06 32:00

And you're not gonna wear it again. We've gone, you're a hundred percent correct. And here's the thing our parents they knew they were screwing shit up, but they didn't have the skill set to even acknowledge it. And even if they knew they did the skill set together. They didn't care. They sucked up. Now we know, but we've gone overboard. So now what our problem is is we're like I'm afraid of what you're gonna say. Well, no, we go overboard, like, so we're like, you know, there is an element of, and society I feel is lurching back to like the everybody gets a trophy. We've hurt people. So it's like, oh, you we've gone too far in being our kids' best buddy instead of being a parent. It's like, no what, yep, I know you want to wear shorts, that's great. But it's December, you're wearing a jacket. Kind of.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

I mean, so I if I should chime in, like yes, and right, like, because also it's like picking your battles. It's also okay, like it's not um like a devastating thing. Like if she right, I think picking our battles because they also need to exercise independence in their decision making and then decide if that was a good decision for them. So, like moving forward, what's the worst that's gonna happen if she's cold at school?

unknown 33:09

No.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Nothing. There you go. So, like, is it worth the parenting battle that day? Because what I also believe in is like I want to bank some of that parenting um uh like effort, exertion, you know, um for when it really mattered. Hey in the barn.

SPEAKER_06 33:26

Hey in the barn.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

Yeah. So I'll tell you a time that I put money in the bank and I think it really worked out. So as a swimmer, uh she swims Seahawks, uh Hawks, and then eventually starts swimming the varsity. And um, I wasn't really one to push how much she needed to swim at hawks, let's say, because it does optional, you know, go two times a week, go six times a week. And um, and I I didn't push it. I just kind of was like two minimum. And my kid happens to be like a naturally good swimmer. Yep. And uh the last year um she was doing really well. Varsity was uh incredible. Her f her freshman year, I'm thinking of, or am I no, I'm thinking of her sophomore year. Sophomore year. So two seasons ago, she had a killer varsity season, um, went to States as an alternate on relay, um, was went, you know, was then swimming hawks, um, had great silvers golds, went to Speedos with the relay team, and um on the way home uh from one of those, I said to her, um, so Bubs, like you're doing so good, right? And um, like you're naturally good and you're doing so good. Um, but like you kind of like are half efforting. Like, but what if you gave it maybe not your all, but like what if you did really go after it? And she was like, Yeah, no, I know you're right. And I feel like, and then she came into her season last year and was unbelievable. Unbelievable because also we decided with uh Summer Seahawks, she was doing privates with Kate and Jane.

SPEAKER_06 35:01

Worked great.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Yeah, she took it, she just tackled it in a whole new way. She looked at swimming in a brand new way. Varsity killed it. Um, and it's because I banked. I think I banked all those years of not like, you gotta go five times. We're wasting money. We're da da da da da like years and years and years and years. I don't think that conversation would have paid off the way that it did. Yeah, and because she's owning it, you know, she owned the choices during the summer for her privates. She um, you know, really went after it at varsity. She wrapped up that season being really proud of herself. Um, Hawks, I feel like, and look because I wasn't a swimmer, I still and it is a complicated sport.

SPEAKER_06 35:43

Yeah, people have no idea how complicated it's hard to excel and hit your best times at both of those swim meets.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

And as a parent, it's hard to understand what's going on. And um, so even uh with Hawks, like she was the second top point earner. Um, and I'm like, wait, what? Like, like I just discovered that on Swim Cloud the other day. And um, yeah, so but because she's making the choice, and I and I banked. I banked on earlier arguments.

SPEAKER_06 36:12

As amazing as season she had, her and her friends at States, their favorite thing was harassing me for driving the van. I'm like, dude, are you guys are you living for this? That there was all like six or seven girls for New Falls of the State Championship, and we had the van up there because Mel came from somewhere else. So we were driving them around, which is nice instead of being on a team bus with a whole section. Yeah, you're there for three days. You can drive where you want and get food.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

So I was driving the can't get away from being around all the time.

SPEAKER_06 36:42

These girls just sit in the van and harass me. They're like this. The cameras are waiting for her to turn. I'm like, that's great. I'm like, I'm just gonna drive up a one-way street mile. Give these girls something to pay for.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

And and your disposition is always it's just like this, Glenn. It's so it's so important to acknowledge. And you're you're rock steady, you know.

SPEAKER_06 37:04

Can we go to Target? I'm like, sure.

SPEAKER_04 37:08

You're not gonna win.

SPEAKER_06 37:08

Why would you? No, it would go to Target. Let it go. And then they would learn. Here's what we would go to Target. So they're all on Target running around, and I'm just wandering around Target, just trying to find some peace. And then I see them creeping around things and like they're like secretly trying to videotape me. I'm like, what are you gonna put this on like old man wandering Target web TikTok? Yeah, TikTok. Old man wandering target.

SPEAKER_04 37:30

Trying to find you, like slipping stuff into your jacket. Yeah, like, come on. You should have staged it.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

Meanwhile, they've got a secret podcast all about Glenn.

SPEAKER_06 37:39

So they're making money. Now the life coaching stuff that's gotta be pretty fascinating. Because like, listen, I just people can't I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 37:48

Like do you have a do you have a name of a practice? Is it are you on your own or you work for someone else?

SPEAKER_01 37:53

So, um, so my clinical. Uh thank you. Um, my brain's going in two different directions. So uh I'm a clinical uh therapist over at the Mindfulness Center at Chester in Chester. Okay. Chester, New York, Chesterwellness.com. And then yeah, my life coaching and like Reiki practice is Heatherlandbarton.com.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

And um, and I got into Reiki, and Reiki kind of overlaps with the life coaching um because uh um like Reiki can't be part of like therapy, but I don't have a lot of people in therapy who also were very spiritual and kind of um wanted that kind of modality, that kind of mindfulness practice. And so the life coaching, you know, separates that with the the Reiki practice. But um I came to become a Reiki master, um um you know, not to be a Debbie Downer, but um after 9-11.

SPEAKER_04 38:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Because that uh I was in Boston on September 11th, and um and uh, you know, wild, weird day for everybody. And I decided to take a year off from school after that. And so while I was home in New Palts, um is when I discovered Reiki at the Wear in a shop. So my my paths have always kind of paralleled with like learning the clinical practice, but then also kind of like the spiritual mindfulness practice of Reiki. And so um, so that's the blend there that people will find at Heatherlandbarton.com.

SPEAKER_04 39:20

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

Yeah, yeah. And then what's really great is as you know, research has evolved and like uh clinical practice has evolved, like mindfulness-based practices have um, you know, become like evidence-based practices when it comes to clinical work and like somatic, um, somatic work and um like mind-body, mind-body connection. Um, and my favorite thing that has evaluated kind of developed over the last few years is something called polyvagal theory.

SPEAKER_06 39:47

What's that?

SPEAKER_01 39:48

So it's about how our nervous systems are always co-regulating with the beings in the room, that our nervous systems are meant to always be scanning for like some people call glimmers or triggers. And so we're um we're right here, like we're taking in each other's like tone of voice, pace of speech, body language. So we're kind of gauging all the time and then regulating to one another. Um, and so in this way, that's really great when working with individual clients. I love using that when working with parents and children, because oftentimes parents wanna um have an expectation that their child should calm down before they've calmed down. And if if you're the big nervous system in the room with the developed brain and the littlest body in the room with the most undeveloped brain, and the parent is waiting for that child to calm down, regulate, etc., that nervous system quite literally can't do that if the biggest nervous system is the room is dysregulated. And so it helps me like reorient the parent to noticing their nervous system, develop the strategies to regulate their own selves so that they can parent their child into regulation. And I think that this theory offers people that it's not personal, it's not like I'm doing this, my kid's doing that. We get to talk about it like your nervous system is doing this thing, totally normal and predictable, and your kid's nervous system is doing that thing totally normal and predictable. So let's change some of the interventions so that your nervous system is calm and then you offer those strategies to your child, right? So it just makes it not personal, and then the parent can work with that without shaming or blaming themselves.

SPEAKER_04 41:37

Wow. It's great.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

It is, I think it's super empowering. I really love it because I, you know, people coming to therapy or coaching, it's a hard decision to come and say, I need help. A lot of people never make the hardest thing ever. Yeah, tell someone you need help.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

And that's a thing I love to share with my parents, like you were saying, like I was uh validating Glenn before. It's super important to be validated, you know, to be acknowledged for the choices that we make. It's easy to not make the choice. And, you know, a lot of people don't make the choice. So when people make the choice to support, um, you know, find support for their kiddo, and then are willing to be the vulnerable person in the room to take on the change, they deserve a lot of credit for that because there's a lot of, you know, kids out there whose parents will struggle to make that choice and never may have never make that choice.

SPEAKER_04 42:25

So how does it start when when someone comes in? What like what are the um the general issues with uh when you talk about parents and their kids are coming together and and they're they're having some issue in in their relationship? I mean, are you looking at kids that are young or are they in teenage? Like what what is the typical the typical layout of what you see?

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Yeah, so for me, my niche is really probably like 11 or younger for kiddos. Um and um what I what we what I always do is have like a consultation with parents beforehand, like a 15-minute consultation. And what I say to them is that it's really important for you to share with me what's going on, and I share with you kind of the paradigm from which I work, and we're both gonna assess if this is a good match before you sign up to be my client. It's as important for them to know how I work because they've got to sign up with with how I'm gonna show up in the room. Um, so I let them know right off the bat that um not in these kind of words, you're not gonna give me your kid and like not participate. Right. Right?

SPEAKER_04 43:29

Like, um it's as much as the parent is there for that kind of health counseling as the child.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

Yeah, that I'm gonna be having sessions with the parent individually and or sometimes with their child. And there was a time when my work was I'm only gonna work with you as the parent, um, especially if the child's already seeing other kind of therapists or getting other kind of support. Um, because again, if you're the biggest nervous system in the room and I'm and you've got the developed brain, I can teach you all these skills. We can dissect all the reactions that are going. On in the home, and I'm gonna give you the strategies and and uh techniques and and tools, and you're gonna go home and implement them, and you're gonna see improvements in your in your relationship with your child, and therefore your child's gonna shift.

SPEAKER_06 44:14

So you walk in a room and you're like, Well, clearly there's an 800-pound nervous system in the room. Hey now. Hey now. So basically, you never get to the point where you're like, you talk to the parents, you talk to the kid, and then you're like, here's the problem. Then you look at the parents like you guys just gotta chill that. You're like, yeah. Parents are totally out of their minds. Like, parents are coming to school all the time, like, I need Jimmy to do better, he's underachieving. I'm like, Jimmy's got a 94. He tells me every day that you're up his ass. He's like doing three sports, he seems funny, his kids, his friends love him, he seems perfect, and like here you are complaining about him.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

Yeah, well, you know what's interesting, and I I'll I don't know this for sure, but from from my lim very limited experience, I think often that there's kids like that, and then they go home. Then they're chunks, and they're like they're turds. They're they're turds. Yeah, they they but they need time to be a turd. And that's fair, Glenn. That's so fair, Glenn. Yeah, right, because you your kids need a chance to be a turd, and it's easier to be a turd at home if you're shitty parents that you love, but like you're like, you guys suck. Yeah, I'm gonna let all this out at home, and then I'm gonna be feel good about going back into the world and being like a normal person. Yeah, you know, yeah, whereas at home, I'm just gonna let it all go. Parents are like, You're crazy, my kid sucks. No, that whatever.

SPEAKER_01 45:33

Well, also it's it's it's fear, right, from the parent, it's projection potentially. And one of my favorite moments was with like a parent coach client. Um, she was kind of sharing like all the tension happening at home and and worried about her how her kid was being out in the world. And she's like, I just don't want my kid to be an asshole. And I was like, here's the thing, having known them as long as I had as clients, I go, I'll bet my whole career your kid doesn't go out into the world and people think she's an asshole. I promise. And she was like, You're right, true, and left. You know, like like the the way that we have fear for our kids out in the world. And more in superficial ways, you know what I mean? Like, obviously, we have to have some fear of like our kids being out in the world and keeping them safe, but like there's some of those fears that are just they're just wildly out of proportion.

SPEAKER_06 46:19

And we were cut so loose by our own parents growing up. Like looking back on it, I'm like, man, it would have been nice if my parents threw me a lifeline for a while. Yeah, but they didn't give a flying fuck about what I did. So now you overcompensate for your own kid.

SPEAKER_05 46:32

Yeah, you know, I thought about that, but I'm like, my parents were like 20, 21. Yeah, I would have been a terrible parent. I would have been a terrible parent at 21. I know I would have. I would be like, kid, get out. I'm watching TV. I know I would.

SPEAKER_06 46:44

I look back, and my parents were great, and I have a great relationship with my parents, but like they didn't do anything. I mean, my mom did, but like they did their own thing. Like literally, we'd wander in the house at 11 and like, where were you? I'm like, Oh, I was at Paul's. Meanwhile, we just got back from New Jersey. I was like 16. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:01

They didn't care. We were the best generation. They didn't care. Right, Jenny.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

You know, they completely like Well, and I think like our parents, like they that that generation, like they parented from like survival. Yeah. You know, I think a lot of that was like survival, especially when you think about how young they were. Um, you know, you might know better about just like history of like just like the economy and you know, like society, like what was being asked of, like now, you know, two people working, you know, like the new stressors of that of that family system, I think changed how they parented. They didn't have time to wonder where we were. Um, you know, and so I think it's it is generational, and I think we kind of get to parent from more of a thriving. I would think, like, at least the people sitting on this table and probably people listening to the podcast, we're probably more in a thriving state of our of our lives. And so then we can be a little more engaged with our children and more worried more.

SPEAKER_06 47:53

And you hit it on the head. So here's a part historically, because you mentioned the history. The demographic of- I know my audience. The demographic of teenagers didn't exist until the 50s. So you were a little kid or you were an adult in society up until World War II. When you were 18, you were grown up. Get out. So our parents were really the first group of teenagers that ever came through. So they did their own thing without any historical implication, like how they should act, and then how they would act for their own teenagers. Does that make sense? Yeah, it doesn't make sense. So they did whatever they did, and then as we grew up as teenagers, they were like, uh whatever. They have no experience from previous generations on dealing with teenagers. So now it is, it's changed.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

And now I think that you know, there's a generation of parents that are sold. So now that they have now that teens are a segment to be concerned about. Yeah, huge segment, major demographic. Then then also parents are sold, oh, and to make sure my teens are successful in the next stage of life, they need to have good grades in school, do 25 different things, and get into like the best colleges, which is also not the truth, right? I mean, I know tons of people from high school who even like you know, didn't even graduate and are very successful in life. So there's also this thing that our society has sold. Um, to be sh, as a parent, to be sure that your kids are successful in life, make sure they check off these things on the list, and that's just a lie, too, which only creates more stress between the parent and child because they're you know most of their kids' stress, I feel. Well, society is making that parent feel stressed, and then that parent's pushing it down on the kid because the parents are afraid if I don't make you do these things and check these things off the list, you're gonna fail. But that's just not true. So it really comes back to like just the social values that we're currently in.

SPEAKER_06 49:35

Yeah, boy. Boom, boom, boom. So listen, when you when Hazel becomes a teenager and you want to start harassing her, I'm already harassing her.

SPEAKER_04 49:48

I'm sitting here listening to the listening to our guests, and I'm like, I'm the worst parent out there.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

No, no, have some confidence.

SPEAKER_06 49:53

No, no, no. Just remember the the the first day of school, ancient Sumer. Ancient Sumer, the very first little Sumerian boy rancient Sumer. Ran out of ran out of his house with his little shorts and his parents were harassing him. So, like, you know. That's like teachers at school would be so upset about kids. You're not wearing that sheet. Jimmy copied his homework. I'm like, first school open in ancient Egypt, first lunch period. Some kid in Egypt copied his other friend's homework. It's like, get over here. Stop making this about you. Maybe you shouldn't give shitty homework assignments and kids wouldn't copy it.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 50:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

Yeah. Um, there's this great book that I never finished reading, which is uh a pattern of my life, and I really should go back to the book. Um it's called Hunt Um Hunt Gather Parent. I know that. You know it? Yeah, it's a really great book. And I feel like it's um we want to read it. It's a really great book, and I feel because what you just said, I feel that um it's so I'm trying to get some free therapy here, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 50:48

I love it. It's working.

SPEAKER_06 50:52

Um She's gonna give you an invoice on the way out the door.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

Yeah, totally. Venmo. And what were we talking about before? Venmo. Um because I I don't want people to uh parents to feel any kind of shame for like the imperfect experience of what is parenting, because most of the stress that is happening in our parenting with our children is from the pressure we have from society. We don't realize that, but that's mostly what's happening.

SPEAKER_04 51:20

So you do you think it's more of not the pressure the parent might be putting on themselves? Do you think that's societal driven?

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Yeah, let's go back to like Glenn's example of like parents are like, my kid, this isn't doing that. And yet if you look at like the kid's resume, like what more do you want your kid to be doing? Where is that pressure coming into that parent from?

SPEAKER_06 51:39

Yeah. You're verbalizing this to a stranger, the kid's classroom teacher. What actually are you saying at home behind closed doors? If you're already out talking to a group of teachers about your kids underperforming, how much shit are you talking about your own kid behind your house doors?

SPEAKER_01 51:54

Yeah, and let's talk about then what's happening to that parent-child bond, which is a thing that I always come back to also in like the therapy room, which is like the greatest thing, you know, epiphany number one was like the best impact I'm gonna have for children's development is working with their parents. Number two is once I have them in the room, the greatest thing I can do is first of all repair their bond, because it's most likely ruptured, and help them learn how to make the bond the most important focus of their conversations, when they're talking to teachers, when they're worried about them out in the world. Be most concerned about the bond that's happening between you and your kid than anything else.

SPEAKER_06 52:34

Nice. Look at that. That's great. Well said heavy stuff. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 52:41

Where's Corvette?

SPEAKER_06 52:43

No, can I you know where I'm at? Like, so my dad now, he's 87. Uh-huh. Love that. He and he's great. He drives around, we hang out, we go to the bistro, he does his thing, you know. But he's at that age of life where he never was a progressive guy at all. Because he grew up in Sullivan County, and he told me, he's like, I grew up in a sheltered, like closed, I mean, not like Sullivan County's the bastion of mental wellness to bed. In 1950, it was brutal. So he like I get a lot of this. We're like hanging out, and he's like, you know, just driving. He's like, you know, I did the best I could. You know, so I'm getting a lot of that reflection. Yeah, yeah. He's like, you know, he's like, it wasn't always easy. I did the best I could.

SPEAKER_04 53:27

You know, he follows it up with, but you weren't a you were a goddamn handful, dude.

SPEAKER_06 53:33

You could have made it a lot easier, Glenn. But like now he's like, he'll watch me like making dinner, like birthday party the other day. There's 18 people in the house I'm cooking dinner, and he's like, He's proud of you. He's proud of you. My dad wasn't made dinner. Who my dad never made dinner? No. No, but he's like, his dad would never have done that. He's like, I never it's super great.

SPEAKER_01 53:54

No, and and that's that's so important. You'll have that in your heart forever.

SPEAKER_06 53:58

Yeah, it's cool. But it's not easy parenting parents and kids at the same time. Sandwich and what I call it, the sandwich phase of life, right? Parenting parents and kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:09

It's the sandwich, yeah. That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_06 54:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:11

Crazy.

SPEAKER_04 54:12

All right. Let's um where are we timelines?

SPEAKER_00 54:21

Yeah, right. Where's my timer? Hold on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:26

You literally checked in on how long this session is going.

SPEAKER_06 54:28

Yeah, because now you know what you're doing here, wife.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

He's writing shit down. Well, I'm also like, I could go into more stories, or is it wrap-up time?

SPEAKER_04 54:38

No, I'm just there's no wrap up. We're just going till we can till it feels right. Um, okay, so outside of um this amazing career you've carved out for yourself. Thank you. Um, let's talk a little bit about where you're working, the little local um Gardener Collective. Yeah, that's cool. This is this is new. Let's pump the Gardener Collective for a moment.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

Okay, I'd love to do that for a minute.

SPEAKER_04 55:03

We're gonna come back to your other stuff because I have some questions, but let's let's mix it up.

SPEAKER_06 55:06

I was pissed that it was no longer the hardware store. Yeah. So everyone was.

SPEAKER_01 55:10

So let's first pitch this that um um getting Renee Mitchell and Cat Majestic on on here is gonna help you uh not help you, but um they can tell the story of the collective. Did you go to school with Renee? Was she in your say it? She was a year younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, um they'll help tell the story of the collective. They're they're the owners, they're they're the one who created the whole thing. I just jumped in there. Um, so it was random. Um, like May 1st, uh, I saw something about them, like the Garner Collective opening. And I'm like, what's she doing? Let's do it, Renee. Kat Majestic. So she's younger. I don't know, Kat. I think they I cat might have been, I don't know if she was in the same. So I have a younger sister and a younger brother. And um uh so Kat and my brother Ken, Kenny, would have been, I think, in the same class. Maybe they were maybe they're separated by a couple couple grades. They had dated back in the day. That's how I know Kat. Um so um so when I saw that Renee and Kat were opening up a store, I'm like, what are they doing? And the grand opening was like May 3rd, and so I went in there and I was like, oh my gosh, what is happening here? It's almost their one-year anniversary. Wow. And um I was so excited. So it's like a multi-vendor store. Um, I like to say it's over 3,000 square feet. I don't know if that's the truth. Um, and you know, you have everything from like antique vintage things to like um, you know, handmade purses to uh an amazing business called the Tchotchki Box and um everything in between. Tons of jewelry. Upstairs is like thrift and vintage clothing. Right. Um, there's a barn full of furniture. It's it's really an amazing spot.

SPEAKER_04 56:45

It's like picture frames and and yeah, uh it's a it's like a whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 56:50

Winnie Abra Abraham Abramson, she's like a photographer in there. Yeah. I mean, I mean, literally, there's something for everyone.

SPEAKER_06 56:56

And then Heather, by the way, I just saw your text message about stopping the Starbucks. Sorry, I missed that. I offered to pick up something. This clo this collective, yeah. It's the perfect store at the perfect time for these bougie folks coming up from New York City to just spend money on all sorts of shit.

SPEAKER_01 57:15

But also the local gardener people are stuff. But the local gardener people are excited too. Well, it's something happening in Garner. It's something happening in Gardener. Yeah. I mean, people really love it.

SPEAKER_06 57:25

Huh? You've been in, right? At the collective? Yeah. No, I haven't been in there since there's a hardware store. Dude, it's a great store.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

It's a great store. For every way, really.

SPEAKER_06 57:32

For everybody that's listening, I'm I and some of them knew this. Now that it's not, I've lifted my boycott. I boycotted the building after the hardware store closed. I will never go in there. I was so indignant that the hardware store is gone. Yeah. Now it's called progress. Listen, change is hard. Change no, change is hard, but necessary. To our guest. Listen, no one embraces change like me. It's not progress going from hardware store to a liquor store. But now back to the cooperative or the collective. I'm in. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

And it's and then it's back with the majestic, which I think is like a beautiful part of the story. I love that it's back with Kat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Renee's local too. Yeah. Yeah. Renee lives right down the road. New pulled around. Renee's a character. Renee's a character. Yeah, she's amazing. And both like amazing. She'll love to come on now.

unknown 58:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:19

She knows what she's getting into. Renee Mitchell used to own uh Village Pizza. Yeah. That's a little shit out shout out there. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 58:25

Now it's shorty's.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

Now it's shorty's. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 58:28

Have you guys been in there? I have. It's good. I've been in there. You'll like it. It's good. I should check it out. Yeah, you should have at least once. All right, nice.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

Um, so when I saw what they were doing, I was super excited. Um, I was like, I totally want a booth. Uh because I've also had uh another part of my history is um I worked like in sales and marketing. I was a barefoot books ambassador for a really long time. So they're an independent children's books publishing company. Um so anyway, so I also love sales because again, it's like people, what can I help you with? Want to help you find the perfect thing. And um, so I I became a vendor and then quickly was like, um, even before I was a vendor, I was doing, you know, video Facebook lives for them and posts for them because I was excited for them. Again, like I just love people, I love helping people. I get excited to share like when people are doing great things. And um, so I was doing all this like you know, marketing for them. And uh so when I became a vendor, we just kind of you know developed like a trade. Like, I'll just do a ton of marketing for you guys and and and be a vendor, and it was like super great. So that's part of why what also ended up happening was like people thought that like somehow the collective was mine or what happened. I thought it was yours. I know.

SPEAKER_06 59:34

Um, but uh yeah, just Renee's probably like son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_01 59:40

No, I think like you know, because everybody has their zone of genius, you know, and like I think what was like the most brave thing was that like Renee and Kat, that idea for them was really young, like you guys doing the podcast. It's just like an idea. Um, but like they had the idea and then like shot it from the hip within months. I mean, they'll tell you the story if it was even faster than that. And so for me, like uh it's so brave to just like take your shot and just like not know what's gonna happen. And um, you know, so they have their zones of genius, and like mine was like helping spread the good word of like the amazing store that is there. And and what's also beautiful is the group of people who's there, like the vendors themselves, like we're a little community ourselves, and we like love being there, like you volunteer your time to like work the store. And one of the best things that happened even just yesterday, I was working there. Um, a young couple just bought a house in Gardner, they come up here to rock climb, and uh, and so then they decided to never heard that before. I know, and I and I said them, and that's what I told them. I said, Yeah, this is a very popular story, and then it reminded me of when I learned about um Joelyn and Glenn Laurie that they met rock climbing, and that's how they got married and got married up here in the mountains. And like it's just it's a beautiful way of how people find their their way here to New Pauls and Gardner.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:52

That is a great and it's a common, it's a common thread. A lot of people that how they get here, and that's a big part of what we ask people in this podcast, like even people we've known for 20 years, is like how so how'd you get here actually, you know, and then they hear you hear their story, and and often it's you know, I came up because I wanted to climb, wanted to ride more, or some of the some of the big surprises were like, Oh, well, I was on the Olympic, you know, uh team for X, Y, and Z and in my 20s, and you're like, Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, and then they came to train and then they stayed because they loved it.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:23

Yeah, you know what I like about the new group of folks coming here, which didn't exist when people started coming after 9-11, and the people prior to that when there were suggestions about building something in town, they're like, No. Like Starbucks was sabotaged, right? Repeatedly, like every weekend, there was like damn, which had a higher security. They shot down the lows from coming in New Paul's. We're too good for lows. And like hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars, tax dollars left on the table in Highland because we're too special, we don't need that. It's like turns out we do, Jackass. But the new group of folks coming in are like, why don't we have this? Why don't we have that amazing? Someone just told me the other day, like, hey, we were down at the dance, the industrial park of Gardner. Someone's like, We we really could use this industrial park in New Paul's. I'm like, you know what? This very industrial park was proposed to be in New Paul's and was shouted down and battled to the ground here's here's by the people New Paul's didn't want it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:23

Yeah. So my two thoughts about that is like one, I think people were short-sighted. I feel like people who wanted to keep, like, let's say Lowe's out or even Starbucks, I did feel like a little sacrilegious bringing Starbucks in when it's a New Paul's podcast, and there's plenty of New Paul's own coffee shops. It's all right. Um, is that well, I think it was to that point. I think that there was the the attempt to protect what was in New Polts by not letting something like Lowe's come in. Yeah, not understanding that when Lowe's is right there on 299 isn't gonna keep you going to like Agway. Yeah, you know, or like or go like or stay going to Majestic. You might then just take the extra trip to Lowe's. And so I think people didn't understand that. Then the other thing is I think like even when you have like a big complex like out in Gardner, and someone was also talking to me a few months ago about like the skate park at um at Majestic Park. Yeah, yeah. Um, that we should have this in New Pulse. Here's the thing. Can you just drive 10 minutes and go to Gardener? No, that's what I'm saying. We don't need to like reinvent everything in New Paltz. Just go to Gardner. I mean, that's also because then what are you gonna do? Pull all that business out of Gardener? Just everybody, just drive a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:24

Gardener could use some of that when they're getting all that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

They do need that. And what's also continuing to grow in Gardener is like um the little candle of mine, that little candle shop that used to be in New Palts. They're now in Gardner. They moved over to the house.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:36

It's down by the bakery, it used to be there.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:38

Yeah, they moved into Gardener. Um, there's this uh a really great woman. Her name is James Hart, and she's founded this company called Arts and Found. And her whole purpose is to keep um like craft materials out of landfills. And so it's kind of like re-homed Michaels, if you will. Oh love. So she's she's got a little shop inside the collective, but she's gonna have her own shop um at the yellow building that's like between the collective and cafe Mio. Um, and then there's like you know, a couple other stores that are popping up, and so like gardeners is starting to get this like revival, which is super exciting.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:09

It's here, the revival.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

It's here, and then um, and then the woman who owns the candle shop, she's putting together that like I think it's like every Saturday, or regularly starting in May, are gonna be like these kind of like gardener like days, like these gardener like yeah, like street fairs, if you will.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:25

When we grew up on Facebook, yeah. The Gardener was for the hillbillies. Yeah. Yeah. Like we would go out. My parents would be like, You're going to Gardener? Like, good luck. My dad's like, keep your head low. I'd run into guys like Tom Hine out there from Walk Hill. Gardener was like the Wild West.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:40

Uh yeah. Well, and I feel like it's also flanky. Yeah, well, yeah, because it was probably more affordable to be out there. The house prices probably were much, you know, now it's like you pay the view tax. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:52

You know, it's like, and then just to go down, this is nothing. So when I was on the school board, we got about probably a thousand emails within a week or two. Cup oh, maybe not a thousand, but hundreds, hundreds, that their taxes went up dramatically. Like over, like, and it was not even during a tax cycle, it's like all of a sudden, boom. And uh, they were so incensed that we raised their taxes. And I was like, we didn't raise your taxes. The state sent regulators in and appraised the value of the school district, and thank you for paying your due share, Gardner. Your political leaders have bought all this stuff in and bought Culture to Gardener, which is amazing. It's very nice out there. And now that just caught up with you. Pony up.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

Yeah, time for you to start paying your fair share, buddy. Gardner, we love you. Come on the podcast.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:42

All right. It's been a great cast. I love Garner. Jeff. Great cast, right? That's a great cast. You've got some stuff here, buddy. You're all better now. I wise you to take this and run with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:55

Um, don't uh yeah. So the um I'm gonna go back just For a moment to ask you what I typically ask. I got one more thing to process now. Um no, no, no. No, I just was curious. Like, so you you've got this sounds like a very fulfilling um professional life and and you you seem very positive and confident in the choices you've made to do it. Thank you. And that it's a big part of your life. So tell us a little bit, like what what's the most significant impact you think you've made on this community by doing this job?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:29

Um well it was so funny because I thought uh w well I thought where were you going was like I think the biggest impact I've had, period is like how I've chosen to raise my daughter. You you thought I was gonna say that? Well, I thought you were gonna ask like what's my biggest impact, like period, like question, you know, like just oh uh and so yeah, I feel like the thing I'm most proud of and like the impact that I've I've had is how I I've raised my kiddo. Um and then thanks. Yeah, no, I I just yeah, that's the thing I'm most proud of.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:54

Number two is helping get a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:04

It's so funny. Um yeah, but yeah, I I mean just the the the work to do with kiddos. I mean, for me, you know, speaking of like how it feels to be validated, you know, like just even as adults, like when when an adult validates like a little person's feelings, like a little kiddo, um, they they light up like to be seen, heard, understood, um, you know, helping them understand like their feelings are having in their body, that it actually has like a name and um just like be on their level, like that's the part I find super rewarding about the work that I do, like working with, especially when you're in like the three, four, five-year-olds, but even like this, you know, even the older ones, when they just feel seen and heard, um, and then you can help them with that repair with their parents. Um, it's super rewarding because like you know, to to miss that moment, um, you know, can can have like lasting effect. So I really sure I love I love helping the little ones feel seen and heard.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:01

Yeah. No, it's that's a great answer. Thanks for sharing that. I I saw a um a clip of a comedian talking recently, and he was like, he's like, you know, I remember when I was a kid and I like fell and smashed my face on the playground and my dad looked over and he was like, You're okay. And he was like, Oh, so I he's like, Oh, pain is okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:21

Oh right?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:22

Like, yeah, okay, thanks, dad. Like, I'll be in therapy in someday. But yeah, but like it was an interesting perspective, right? Of like parents being like, You're fine. Yeah, parents really hurt I didn't know what the hell they were doing. That really hurt. You know, like, no, you're good.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

And then you and then I thought you were saying he became a plastic surgeon, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:38

Right. All that stuff. Disfigured.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:41

No, he became a comedian, which might probably worse.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:45

They were out of their minds. Yeah. Like my mom, your mom, and dad might out of their minds.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:50

And then yeah, like always like doing the best they could, you know, just based on uh whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So that's all we're doing. We're doing the best we can out here.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:57

So, okay, so we're gonna um we're gonna ask you some questions. Okay, great. Um, so um, if you were Ryan Corbett, how could you be a better Ryan Corbett? No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:11

Oh, boom! Freaking torpedo at the battle waterline.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

BTW, my uh my my uh thought listening to that end of that podcast about like who plays who if this becomes a movie. Yeah. Uh I nominate Will Farrell to play Corbett.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:27

Oh, nice. Right? Yeah, he's a good one. That's a good one.

unknown 1:09:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:32

So we still are gonna play Ryan Corbett in the Gulf cast the movie. I still vote for Bobcat Gulfwaite, but whatever. Whatever. Yeah, both are great. We'll see who's available. We'll see who wins. We'll see who wins. We'll see who's available. So one of these guys might have a new project.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:50

And I died when Glenn's so excited about Matthew McConaughey to play him. And then Corbett comes in and is like, um, I think you gotta go with like Steve Bushdemi.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:59

And I'm like, Well, Ryan asked us. He's like, who's gonna play you? And I was like, silent also I go, All right, all right, all right.

unknown 1:10:10

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:11

Amazing. Okay, questions, right? Okay, all right, let's go, Jack.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:14

So what was like when you were a kid growing up? I'm assuming you were uh, you know, watching TV like the rest of us. So what was your favorite uh like what was your TV show you'd like to watch religiously?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:23

Oh, my favorite TV show, um, so like kids of the 80s, we go we had HBO in the house. It was like so exciting. Do you remember how at night it'd be like the HBO like sign would like come across the screen and like all like the starlight and like it was like a whole thing, it was like a whole production.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:38

Glenn's was all scattered. That's when he watched HBO. He had the uh spoil and the antenna moving around.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:44

All snowy. I had a ton of for a while. Then we got cable.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:48

I love it. Um so the favorite show would have been Fraggle Rock.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:52

I knew you were gonna say it. Fraggle Rock. It was HBO. I was like, she's going with Fraggle Rock.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:57

Because it was like the whole family sat down.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:59

Fraggle Rock was an amazing show.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:01

Uh amazing. I have all of it. You never watched it.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:03

You never did? No.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:04

I never watched it. Oh, no. Oh, I didn't have HBO.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:09

Yeah, oh, there it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:11

I have little cousins that watched it, so I know this. It's a great show. Down in Fraggle Rock. I have all the hair mounts. Everyone's bouncing at the table, folks.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:22

I listen, I look at the wise trash heap, but I was a Muppets guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:26

Yeah, I was a Muppets guy.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:28

The Fraggles and the Muppets, they're not the same peep things, but like, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:37

Yeah, it's all Jim Henson.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:38

So He just recreated the Muppets. I'm like, I'm staying old school, Jim.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:41

No, it's Muppets, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:42

Yeah. It's time to face the music. Time to light the lights, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:46

It's time to make the music. Yeah. On the Muppet Show tonight.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:49

It's time to start the music. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:52

You know, I have a songbook that my mom used to sing, like she's written down lyrics to songs that she gave me.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:58

Um, when when Hazel was born, and so like I sing songs to her at night and stuff. And uh the Muppet lyrics are in there.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:05

Great.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:05

The whole song. It's great. That is a great thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:06

It's an unbelievable song.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:09

Anyway. Unbelievable song. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:11

So um so Fraggle Rock. Fraggle Rock. Yeah. We've never had a Fraggle Rock. No. Never had that answer. That's a good one. Yeah. Great. Good. You're an original. Great. Um You know we get a lot of Dukes of Hazard. Yeah, we've had we've had a bunch of Dukes Hazard.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:27

Did that come from mostly dudes? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:30

Surprisingly, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:32

Yeah, I wonder why.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:33

Uh that's a good point. Yeah. Um okay. So um, do you have a song that's like your uh guilty pleasure song?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:44

Um Guilty Pleasure. Oh, guilty pleasure. I love hip hop.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:48

Nice.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:49

Who's your favorite hip or go with a song?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:51

Um I'm like what are you turning on and blowing up the windows and then just like going for it in the car? Um like your daughter's rolling that up the window because you're embarrassing.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:02

Yeah, she's like, oh my god, mom's singing the song.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:04

What is it?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:04

No, I just love anything with a great beat. See, I love to dance. So, like, my like some people run, some people swim. Like, my thing is I love to dance. That's where like it's like total like relaxation and just like we're just totally happy. So anything that has a great bass, great beat, and I can dance. Okay. Yeah, and you gotta like, I mean, the 90s, like 96, early 2000s.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:25

I mean, yeah, it's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:26

So good. The current hip hop is um, it's lost on me, but I think that just speaks to our age.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:32

Were you the one running the Zumba class at Ryan Corporate goes to?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:38

It was you. No, I don't even I and strangely I've never been to a Zumba, but uh yeah. You'd you'd love Zumba. Probably. I don't really know much about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:47

Anyway. So um I digress. Um really? If you yeah. I know, I'm just kidding. Yeah. Surprising. So uh I'm still stuck in the Muppets. You still on the Muppets?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:01

Well, let me throw in there too. Um, so where I thought maybe you were gonna go to with was was movies, and so what should not be surprising, the Labyrinth or Dark Crystal were like my favorite. Like still a favorite. The labyrinth, yeah. I remember the I don't know. I should have done some of David Bowie's outfit, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:14

That was really disturbing in the labyrinth.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:17

I don't know. Now that you bring it up. Um yeah, Labyrinth is also great.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:26

All right. Well can I keep going? Yeah, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:29

You still you want to get on Fraggle Rock.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:31

I'm still taught, I'm still going through the song, but I'm over here.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:35

I'm just trying to find 90s music. I'm sorry. I'm slowed.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:37

Yeah, dude. You're just trying to find it. What? 90s hip hop? Is this it?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:41

It's like a dubstep. Yeah, punk.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:43

Uh kind of. That would have been more like a rave. I mean house party right here. You're talking like glow sticks. Right? Yeah, three floors. So listen.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:58

Alright, I'm still looking. Were you ever shoveling glow in the dark stuff?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:01

Was Joe's still open when you were coming of age? Yeah, it would have been like the Griffin. Uh Griffin. Um, and what was uh before it was?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:11

Here's the one I think I have one for you.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:12

Foley Square.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:13

You know you know this one. You dance to this for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:17

Is that CC Music Factory?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:19

No. Um Black Box.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:21

Um so Joe's just auctioned their stuff because it just sold. It did sell. So basically, they're like, we have an all uh auction tomorrow. And I didn't know about it until after, but someone told me, and like people I would have loved to go in there and get like a bench, like a booth from Joe's and put it in the basement down here. Yeah, that would have been great.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:40

Podcast booth.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:41

I pitched to someone in New Palts needs to start like some kind of like dance club scene for like people of a certain age.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:48

Yeah. You know what I thought? I like the idea of buying the old malls and turning them into uh housing complexes for people our age, and then we can just walk through the mall, hang out. Wouldn't that be cool?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:58

Why do we have a housing crisis with empty malls?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:01

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:02

I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:03

Go down to Chess King, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:05

It seems like the easiest solution.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:07

Stores are still there and open K B toys.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:10

Yes, there's gifts.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:12

Stephen's Realty, get on that. Let's go, Lindsay. Yeah. So listen, maybe I could make a little extra money turning this into a dance club like once a month, the house.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:23

And the bouncer check that you have to be like over 30. Yeah. Over 35. Like that's that's the thing. Yeah, like 35. 35.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:30

I don't need some 33-year-old hangouts. 33.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:33

Thinking they're fucking cool. Like, get the hell out of here. They can still go to pigs. Yeah, right. Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:42

Okay. So um our favorite is if you had a question, uh, if you had a question, if you had a sandwich named after you, what would be on it?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:51

I love tuna fish. Okay, here we're gonna go circle.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:54

Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:55

We're gonna circle back to Wendy Zuckerman here. So me and Wendy, um, our friendship began in first grade, and um my dad would make my lunch, and we would do uh it'd be tuna fish and and like you know, good old wheat.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:08

We're taking tuna fish to school. That's a very bold.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:11

I know. That's a warm talk about that's a warm tuna.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:14

Tuna. I have a lunch period. Like, fuck it.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:18

It's probably in a paper bag, too, wasn't it? A paper bag for sure. Definitely wasn't in a lunch box.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:23

I mean, when I was younger, yeah, but then still in a and then and then a little uh snack bag of like Doritos, but actually, probably not even snack bags, it would have been a Ziploc because they didn't have snack bags in the 80s.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:32

And if they did, my parents would have bought them.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:34

And so what I would do, so my sandwich has to have the Doritos on the tuna fish. Nice. I'm a big sandwich, chip sandwich. And then a nice good squish. And then every bite's got a great crunch. Wendy hated every day of her life when she sat next to me in the cafeteria from first grade to senior year when I had that tuna fish. Hated it. Yeah. So tuna fish and Doritos. All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:57

What kind of bread?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:59

Gotta let's go wheat. Let's go like a good Freihoffer's wheat. That's got all the Fryhoffer's got all the gluten and things you shouldn't eat because it was so shelf stable. But uh, yeah, yeah. If you're gonna do it, do it right. Now it's Jimbo's Bimbo's Bimbo's.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:16

Are they open? Can you walk in there and buy stuff? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:18

I think it's just a distribution center, but not that I know.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:21

I know Fryhopper still thrives online. So if you want those cookies, they still sell them.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:27

FYI. Was it Fryhopper's cookies?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:29

Yeah. Chocolate chips.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:31

You know what's good is those Endeman cookies, man. Yeah, yeah. Those chocolate chip. And it's kosher after. You had them at the at the Nordic event. Yeah. I had like three handfuls of cookies.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:40

I saw you, buddy.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:40

I know how you roll. Celebrating it.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:42

I know how you roll. My favorite Endemans was the um cheese-filled crumb cake. Oh all day. Whoa. All day. All day.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:52

That and hot tuna.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:57

Yum. Well, it's been a it's been a great part coming on. Oh my gosh. Thanks for inviting me.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:04

I did. I did. I did have fun. All the laughter should be proof. It was great.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:08

Good. Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:10

Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:11

We could have a lot of things. Take care.