Oh, we're back. Yes. Yeah. All right, everybody. Good morning and happy Sunday. Woo! Wow. Hey. Hey nice. Rasputin in the morning. Dude, that's a great song. Dude, it doesn't get much better than Boney M. I didn't I didn't know who sang it, but I've heard it. It's one of those songs that you can. Check out some of the old videos. We get all dressed up. It was cool. It was like a British uh like a women's disco band. And they had a guy that would just do the weird stuff. He would do some dancing around, but it was a one woman was the real Okay. Yeah. All right. So anyway. So what's going on this morning? We got an amazing guest in the house. I am. Who we've been working on bringing this up. Almost a year. Yeah. It was almost a year ago. We met in June, the Pride Parade, right? And we've corresponded and now we're here. Yes, I'm so happy to be here. Good morning. So we have, ladies and gentlemen, everybody else, we have Skittles, also Jenna Delorean. Jennifer Delora. Dolore. From Tilson. From Tilson, Skittles. What would you say? We've only been referring to you as when we talk about having Skittles on. It's only Skittles. Well then we talk about it. Skittles is great. I love it. We text messages back and forth a lot. So then you tell me the name was Jen. Yeah. Should we call you Skittles or Jen? You can call me whatever you desire, babe. Jeff said that, next thing you know, I'm like. I love Skittles because it's unique. Even the people at my apartment building call me Skittles. And I get a kick out of it. I think it's fun. It's very it works for me. So whatever. How did you get the name? Like when did you first start getting? I mean, I know we're jumping ahead. That's okay. When did you first get the name Skittles? Like 1992. I got it. Did you give it to yourself or something? No, no. When you get a biker name, somebody gives it to you. It's kind of like something in the deaf community. When you get a signed name, it has to come from a deaf person. Okay. In the motorcycle community, you get your nickname kind of like you get your angel bell from someone else. By the way, so my speaking, I just gotta say this your outfit's amazing. Thank you. We're gonna get a whole bunch of pictures, and which we'll put on all our social media against our I'm a lot pinker than I was when I met y'all a year ago. I had very little I had I didn't have the a lot of pink stuff. You should see my bike now. Oh, my new toy coming tomorrow is all pink. But we're not gonna talk about that yet. Okay. Did you ride your bike here? It was a little too cold. Okay, yeah. It was a little too cold. I wanted to, though. I really did. Yeah. So um my sister's also deaf. Yeah. She wears hearing aids. And I know all about the deafs, the the name sign. There you go. So mine used to be this for Jay. Yes. And because I had long curly hair back when she was in college, so all her friends did that for Jeff. And it stays that. The thing is when you get a sign name from the deaf community, that will be your sign name forever. So mine in the deaf community is not Skittles. My sign name in the Deaf community is Red Jen. Red Jen. Red J. Red J. Red Jen. Red J, okay. And even when I let my hair grow out gray during COVID, which I did for all four years until it was totally gray, my name has not changed to gray gen. It was still red gen. So it's it's a moniker that's given to you by a deaf person that's respectful. It's part of our culture. That's right. Same thing with the motorcycle culture and community. So I was in a motorcycle group of all girls in Los Angeles, and they're the ones that rode with me for a while and then gave me the nickname Skittles, and it stuck. And I love it. It's a great nickname. I can't even imagine having a different one. Do you know how they came up with Skittles? Taste the Rainbows. I'm a great advertisement for Skittles. They should be paying for it. Dude, you should own some of this damn card. I should definitely own it because it's on all my stickers and patches. We just talked to a last guest who told you how easy it was to get sued. We should sue, we should sue the Skittles. I'm just kidding. Is it MM or is it Hershey? I don't know. I don't know who makes Skittles. Now there's Skittles clusters. Have you seen these candy? No. There's like a gummy plastered Skittles plastered all over them. Oh, that sounds delicious. No. With Skittles on them. Oh, like the little mini Skittles? Yeah. You know what I do though is if I do go on a ride, I'll go and go on sale. I'll get the little Halloween-size Skittles and I'll hand them out to people or put them on their buttons. Yeah, right. Just as a joke. Um and it's it's kind of funny. Yeah. But I I make these little dangly things like this. They're they're have it way down here. I make. Well, I don't know where it went. I think I dropped it. Oh no, there I've got too much crap on this vest. This these things like this, these danglies. Yep. Um so I little gems and whatnot. Little gems and stuff. They're like vest hangers or holes and stuff like that. And I made and these are called Skittles, S-K-I-T-L-Z. So I sell them for zipper poles, jewelry, bracelets, whatever. Yeah. And I call them Skittles with a Z. Okay. But my nickname and my my hashtag is Skittles Rides. Skittles. So Skittles should be paying me or at least giving me free. They should be giving you on Skittles. They should sponsor getting me a new bike. Are you on Instagram? I'm on Instagram, Jennifer Delora. I'm on TikTok, Dr. Jennifer Delora or Jennifer Delora PhD, and I'm on Facebook, Jennifer Dora. So we're I'm I'm everywhere. What we'll get this before I gotta say and then I I have an Instagram for a little LC I have for promoting cycling events and mental wellness and physical wellness. So I want to make sure I I'm working on trying to gather some cool. So I want to make sure we exchange our stuff. You got it. Thank you. So let's let's what is your PhD in? Psychology with a focus on family systems in the deaf, uh family mixture. That's amazing and hearing pain. Where is the education? Yeah. Um California Coast University. Oh did you grow up? Did you grow up? Were you should we go back? Should we like go back to the beginning, how it started? Take us back. Tell us about Jen. Give us the broad strokes, who you are, where you grew up, all that stuff. I grew up in Tilson Estates. Uh used to be an asparagus farm. It was the biggest asparagus farm east of the Mississippi, the Dolores Farm. Uh my grandfather plowed it down, and he and my dad built Tilson Estates. So there's a Jennifer Lane after me. There's a Dolores. Is that trick-or-treated on that? And yes, and my brother's is Jeffrey Drive, and they they cross like this. Jennifer Lane and Jeffrey Drive cross here. That's amazing. And Dolora Road goes up on the hill. And I grew up in the little farmhouse that goes down the road down to the trail. That's where I grew up on a farm. I had horses, snowmobiling, horses, farming. It's huge in Tilson Estates today. Let me tell you, I would not I I can't even imagine growing up somewhere else. If I was going to get married and have children, I always knew I would move back to Tilson if I had done that because that was the only place where I was. And that wasn't there when I lived there. We used to go down and swim in the in the quarries and the automobile. Heard good stuff about the quarry. Quarries are filthy. Yeah. I don't know how they are now, but when I lived there, there was farm equipment from like the old days in the bottom over. They would just throw it in, the farmers. Oh yeah. My grandfather probably included, by the way. And even in the back, we used to be able to jump off the high rocks into the water when it was deep. You know, now it's real low. You could see the equipment. But you used to take your life in your hands, jumping in there hoping you didn't get cut. Right, right. But that's where I grew up. I went to Tilson School, I went to Bailey, and then I went to Kingston High School. And then a year later, after I graduated, I moved to New York City, went to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, started in a whole bunch of films, became a B. Let's slow down. I was Miss Ulster County and got decrowned from that. That's that's a that's a I know. What you don't know about me, fire an information at him. We're down on the beach taking heavy fire. So you were from Miss Ulster County and got decrowned? Yes, I was, and yes, I did. Well, it was the year after Vanessa Williams. Yeah. And my very first movie was a movie called Bad Girls Dormitory, which they knew about. Whoa, whoa, whoa, this sounds amazing. I also starred in Frankenhooker. So Frankenhooker, which is a huge adult film, and I still get residual checks from that sucker. And that was 40 years ago. Wow. I still get residual good residual checks because it's so popular. It's crazy. Uh but that's a Frank Henon Latter film, and his films do well. Um but yeah, so I started in this movie. They knew about it because it was all over the newspapers. Remember, lots of newspapers back in the day. So that you page news that I did this movie and Hometown Girl Does Good. And you find the wait, you did you were Miss Ulster County before the video or what? After I did the movie in 1984. And they knew about it. Again, it was literally in the Freeman every year. And then after Vanessa Williams, like that. Then they were like, we got, oh, we can't hang ying ying and but they insisted well the the guy at Miss America insisted I had done a porn movie. He said it was porn. I said, first of all, it hasn't been released yet, but nice try. Second of all, no, it's not. I said, third of all, why is a Miss America executive watching porn looking for a agent contestant? That's a little creepy. Yeah. But no, it's not. Yeah. And then the Freeman went for me, a guy at the Freeman went for me, um, and called me a W H word. Um and that did not please my father much. Um, still living down here in Tilson. Yeah, you know, and it's like, excuse you now. So we decided to sue them because it was ridiculous. They said they said that they couldn't get me on the nudity. I had a five-second, matter of fact, it was less than five seconds, toplessing in a shower. Because I mean, you know, they wanted me to wear a sweatsuit in the shower, didn't they? Doesn't make sense. It was in it was just a really bad low budget film about girls in jail, really. That kind of prison movie. I mean, and they then they got me on the violence. They couldn't get me on the nudity. They ended up not being I had lawyers and they couldn't get me on the nudity, but they got me on the violence in the movie. I was like, good God. But they insisted I had not told them about it, and I was suing them. And then what happened was I started getting phone calls because I was all over the press. I was on on the morning shows in the city, I was in the international news about it. This is not Frankenhooker, it's the other movie. It was Bad Girls Dormitory. Okay. Um and I just started all of a sudden getting all these offers because I was all over the pr and they're like, This is kind of Where does this move? Where were you where did you make this move? Like in New York City. New York City, okay. Yeah. It was my very first movie. Well, I did a couple of movies that filmed up here, like little background stuff. And which was very rarely done here back in the day. And that was my very So you're young, like early 20s? I was 22. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Um my first film. But they're, you know, they they just were finding ways to because they didn't they figured I was gonna win. I did really I want talent, I want miscongeniality, I want everything. They thought this is gonna be a problem because she could win New York State and we're gonna end up with a Vanessa Williams situation. I said, Yeah, but Vanessa didn't, and I'm no shade to Vanessa. I love Vanessa, I've I've met her parents and everything. She didn't tell them that she had done that. They knew that I had done this. It was literally on my application, on my resume, and everything. So it was a problem. But I dropped the lawsuit because my lawyers were like, you're not gonna get anything out of them. You're getting offers for money in movies. I was like, Yeah, I kind of like that. That's good. So I ended up getting handed this career in B films, the starring roles in films. I was like, this is good because that was kind of the So this was a career. You did this. Okay. And I did that. You're still in New York now. Okay. And then I did a bunch more movies Robot Holocaust, New York's Finest, Sensations. I did a Playboy series on the Playboy Channel. Um, on Electric Blue, I was a star of that. I did a whole bunch of really cool, fun, low budget B stuff, and then came Frank and Hooker, which was my first union film, actually. And that, you know, more. And then I moved out to LA and I started the movie on ABC, going from hookers and Frankenhooker to playing a deaf nun in a movie for ABC. My career, Jennifer. So now you're in the screen actors guild, like after that. Yeah, but the second thing I think you get it, whatever it is. So you're now in LA, you're a movie star. Well, I moved out there and then I'm back and forth to New York and back and forth. But LA was where I ended up, and then I moved back here when my dad got sick. Okay. And I moved back here to take care of him and I stayed. So when was that? Uh 2011. Okay. 2011. And he passed away two years later. And I was like, you know, I love it here. There's a there was before COVID a lot of movies and stuff here. I did star that star. I was uh had a really good role in the movie Driveways with Brian Denehy. I love it. Um it was his last movie. He was one of my very favorite. He was an amazing fella, amazing fella. Um Andrew Ahn directed it. Really amazing movie. It's out matter, we had just had the anniversary of it, I think it's today or yesterday. And it's all over the place. You can watch it for free in a lot of places. I know his nephew, Chris Denehy. Oh, okay. He was such a nice guy, and this was his last movie. He passed away, I think, six months later, right before it got released. Wow. You know who he And I played his girlfriend. Great guy. Yeah. Always just never did a movie that you didn't love him in. It was always super likable. And just to like I've worked with people like him, Anne Margaret, Chris Christopherson and Margaret's are my all time favorites. Anne Margaret is one of the nicest people you'd ever want. Evil Las Vegas. Well, she loved me because why? I pulled up to her house to work with her to go and meet with her for our first meeting on my bike in a parrot. I had no idea who she was, by the way. This is the funniest story. I didn't know who she was except for Ann Margrock from the Flintstones. I didn't go to Vegas. I was, you know, I lived in Chilson. What did I know about Ann Margaret? Um, and I told her that. And she goes, I love you even more because you don't care. I said, No, I'm just working with you, my coworker. We became so tight. And what movie is this in? This was a movie called Blue Rodeo that I worked with her um for CBS. It was a CBS movie of the week with her and Chris Christofferson. Um and I was I wasn't in it, I was gonna be in it, but I ended up being this the sign language and deaf culture uh teacher and consultant on that, okay, which was more important. Um and I hired, I don't know, 50 deaf people from the school down in Arizona. I did the same thing with Breaking Through, the ABC movie, and that I also did the same thing for. So put this all in contact. You have not got a PhD yet. You're in a school. Oh, at that time. At this time. So you're in Hollywood and you haven't done this yet. Right. I got when I did breaking through and stuff, I had just finished my PhD. Okay. I was doing my master's, I think, when I did the one before that. Okay. Wow. That was just something, again, I I was going on 30, I was 29, and I was told in Kingston High School that I was too stupid to learn a foreign language. Nice. Sounds like old school high school. You're too stupid. Meanwhile, by the way, I was a shoe plotler, you know, the mommy dresser. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I listen, hold on. I was a shoe plotler. No. Yeah. With whom? Uh who or whom? Whom cares? I was right up there in Kingston. We practiced the Manicor. Manencore Damon Corps. I was the original member of the Tilsonabad Dai Vegunden shoe. I was in Dai Bagelbunden. Jeff, I think we can do that. I was one of the five original kindergroup members that Ann Barnum set up in 1970. Oh, is this the German dancing? Yes. And I still have a bunch of my stuff and pictures, and I was one of I was the original member because none of the other kids would join unless Jennifer joined. Then her daughter joined, and the other girls joined, and Lisa Alio joined. Was Emil playing the accordion? Yes. Emil taught me how to play the accordion. Emil the greatest guy. Emil was the nicest. We used to go down for the uh the parade in the city with Emil. Okay. Okay. He was wonderful. I know we're getting on a whole other road. No, this is great. This is great. This is this is top this is top podcast. We gotta pause for a second because not everyone knows what you're talking about. Oh, we need to explain what the hell we're talking about because it's pretty cool. It's very cool. Uh Glenn and I have talked about it. I've seen old school pictures of Glenn doing this stuff. We gotta get together. Let's give people the context of this amazing connection you just made. Well, shoe plotling is is what you see at Oktoberfest. That's how people would know. Slapping your legs and your legs. Navy chasing vacation. Yeah. Shoeplotling means to slap your shoes. Yes. Like Lederhosen means leather shorts or leather pants. So the boys slap and jump and stuff. But here's the thing. When I was a little girl and I was in the kinder group, and the adult group. The kinder were the little kids in the group that we were. But we were like 10 when we started it. And it was from there that the adult group grew. But it didn't start without us. We started it. I have the original first picture, in fact, with the whole thing. And so we did that. We performed, God, we performed everywhere at every October 5. We went to October group. Performed there, and they used to throw pennies at the kindergroups and stuff. We used to make money. But they used to dress. I was so good at the boys' part. Twirling to me, I mean, I ride a motorcycle. You can tell I'm kind of adventurous. Twirling to me was boring girl stuff. I was like, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin. I never got to laugh at anything. Listen, I'm this is amazing to me. First off, we were in the same German dance room. It's freaking me out that this is such a small world. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. All right. Anyway. So, um, like, did you any chance you crossed paths? What are the years? When did you walk in here? When did you I joined probably in 1990 and did it '89 and did it for probably seven years. I came back to guest. I was I was always invited back as a guest to be one of the lead dancers as a guest. What definitely? What time was this? Well, see, remember, I was in the city working, so I I went down they invited me to come up and do October Fest. Once in a while, like I didn't do it much, I was just a guest. I still have a I still have a a nice durndle and apron and stuff like that in my house just in case I need it. No, I got rid of all the other stuff and my hat and stuff like that. But I have it because once in a while, and up until gosh, I should have until a few years ago when I was a thousand dollar literhosen. Yes, yeah, and I'm fused. I have a full back fusion, I can't be hopping around and spinning anymore. But up until a few years ago, I did I did one appearance um at a at an Octoberfest with them. They invited me as a guest. And I just I didn't do much. But I used to dance as a boy. They put a wig on me. I had real long hair. They put a wig on me, later hosing, and had me come out with Charlotte Froude, who was the littlest group at the end, and play the boy, and nobody knew it was me because I was the lead girl dancer. And then I'd come and then spin the things. We made so much money when I played the boy, and then at the end I'd pop off the wig, and people were like, What? That's Jennifer. Yeah, it was, but it was it was great because it was a great catch. Um lot of beer drinking in that in that club. Well, that's why I hate beer. I'll tell you what. This I cannot stand beer or the smell of it because as a child, we were around all these Germans in the car drinking beer, and the stench of beer was everywhere. I can't stand it. Listen, I know I basically I haven't drank in 20 years, but there was a lot of drinking back then. More drinking than dancing, my friend. You would go to dance practice, and I would be like, the only place you go to dance practice is drink eight giant beers. Yeah. Did you used to practice in Kingston at Hans's house? Yeah, well, the Hans. Remember Hans? Hans built the whole state. He just has to wait. I know. Hans was great. And he had his own radio show. Yes, he was wonderful. And then we practiced the manicore there. Yeah. You gotta do it. No, I guess. Every Wednesday we took turns again. I'm in too much stuff. We should dress in costume for Halloween and go with a Chicotland company. I'm just saying, that would be funny. Dude, what? You conform at the cabin challenge. At the picnic, you come inside after you bring the stool out. I'm like, ha ha ha ha ha doing the whole thing. Right before the awards. Before the awards, you should come out and do it. That'd be great. Oh my god, I'll come cheer you on. Holy crap. I'll come cheer you on. Yes. I don't know, guys. Yes. Oh, come on. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Please do it. The last time I wore my my leader hose and I was teaching, I was I wore it on Halloween, and some kid comes running. Now, this is an authentic leader hose, and it was like a thousand dollars back that I bought in like the late 80s. It was expensive stuff. This kid comes running in my class, top speed ninth period. He's like, he's like, oh my god, it's true. I'm like, what? He's like, you had the best costume in the whole building. And then he looks at me, he's like, I've never seen anybody look so much like a leprechaun. I've all things a leprechaun. The kid was so excited. I was like, sit down, Jimmy. You know what it makes sense to a kid what that would look like. Yeah. I mean, it is so like a Keebler elf, to be honest with you. Totally, right. And then and then another Halloween when I'm wearing that, Josie, my oldest daughter, who's not that's my middle daughter who you were with upstairs. Josie's a couple years older. She likes to ate these poison berries on Halloween. So I'm dressed up. It might have been that same day. So I get called, you got to go to the emergency room. Everything's fine, but Josie ate some poison berries. So I go screech in the emergency room in the German outfit, and they're like, You looking for the ER Octoberfest? That's what the doctor looks at me. He's like, You looking for the ER Oktoberfest? I remember I did. They invited, I was living in the city, I don't know, 2000 and what's say, seven, eight, before I moved back out to LA for a minute. And I got a call from them and they wanted me to join them in the city for the for the parade. They said, get your get your stuff out, come down, ride in the parade with us. I was like, okay, fine. And I lived in I lived in Washington Heights at the time. And I get I I didn't think anything of it, but I walk out of my house, full on gear, get on the subway, come down. I was like, you look so stupid right now. Because they had no idea up there what was going on and why I was dressed that. On the way back, they go, Do you know your mother dresses you funny? I'm like, Yeah, she really does, right? But it was to come out of your neighborhood like that, dress like that, and not even think about it until people are like looking at you on the and I'm like, oh. Never mind. But it is, you know, it is entertaining. It is. But I danced until I moved. I danced with a uh um Anaheim group. Okay. That was really group. I used to I used to dance with them, I used to do the bench taunts, some of the special ones, the figure. So you were pretty advanced. I was one of the things. I forget I I have the pins and everything. I was the lead girl dancer. So I was the lead girl dancer. So I was really good at it. You listen anymore. In all I was more of the beer drinker. Yeah. No one was counting on me to lead any dance. I was there for the beer, which held me back as in everything in life for a while. Thus, I don't drink. Remember Werner Springer? Yes. He was my partner for a while. Really? He was a good dancer. Very good dancer. He was a great partner because we were just gonna be around. We knew the same people. We knew all the same people. That's amazing. What a country. It's such a small world. That's how I get it. All right. Let's get to the let's get to the So let's get to the how did you get into the the biking? The motorcycle world. Well, I start the motorcycle world is different than riding. When I was a kid, my brother rode dirt dirt bikes at Hilsen. We had all that room. Him and our neighbor. And I used to pop on theirs and you know go riding in the back and stuff. I fell a lot. But my father got little scooters. He's really cool. I think they were five. Sounds like your dad was an amazing man. My father was the coolest guy on the planet. We had snowmobiles. We had a six-wheel thing we called the banana that could go right in our ponds and right up the mountain. Yeah, those six wheelers are cool. They were so much fun. Yeah. And we'd pile our friends. It was like back in the day, nobody cared. It was like, oh bye, see ya, have my turning it over and putting it back up and taking it in ponds. It was crazy. Snowmobiles, bikes, motorcycles, scooters, you name it. We had horses. I grew up going to horse shows and riding barrel racing and Doing the fairs and all that. Skittles is like amazing things. I've lived an amazing life. I have to tell you, an amazing life. Riding horse shows, motorcycles, all right, sorry, going to the Oscars, going to the Yemmies, nothing big for the girl from Tilson or anything. Yeah. I live, I have honestly my life is very different now than it was at that point in that sense. But I have lived a most extraordinary life. You sure have. I have been blessed. I had parents who supported me. I had, you know, I really was a go-for it girl, and I have been so blessed to have lived the life I did and all the experience. I want to write my autobiography. You should. You have met me. I am a little wordy and I have no edit button. It would be 25 volumes. So if anybody out there wants to ghost write my book, it will make a lot of money because I already have somebody who wants to make it in a movie. So you gotta get Glenn in there to be uh Well, I pretended I was my own agent for a while. And I used to get myself work. I was in Emmy magazine, they called me the most remarkable actor in Hollywood. Listen, you're I played my own agent under a different name, and I would get myself as a celebrity guest playing with then Bruce Jenner and big celebrities and tennis tournaments and golf tournaments. And I was just me on a phone with an accent. My sister's a my sister, my my older sister, she lives in Los Angeles. She's an attorney, an entertainment attorney, mostly musicians, but all kinds of stuff. So she does her own podcast. She did this podcast. She should have Skittles on. She's in a she's a famous person in her own field. One, you made a huge impact already because my daughter, Taz, as soon as you came downstairs, Taz looked at her, she's like, I love Skittles. I like that. So my sister's gonna list the podcast. She's gonna hear everything you're saying. She's gonna love it. Make make some connections. I would love to talk to her. I would I'd love to know people that might be interested in this. I would I would absolutely love that more than anything. I really would. I'm I'm anxious to get back to it. She was on this podcast. You can listen to it. Okay. She was phenomenal. We had such a great time recording with her. I would love that. Yeah. So that's to me is awesome. I love that. I'd love to talk to her. Yeah. Yeah. So um, so into the you were talking about how you grew into motorcycle. Yeah, so I would ride dirt bikes and stuff like that with my brother and kind of just take it sometimes and go in the back, get in trouble for that. Now you're a teenager. Teenager, 12, 13, 14. My brother's one year older. Just one. He still lives around here? He does. Some I haven't talked to him in many years, but he lives in the area. Okay. He was a biker. Again, that's you know, I rode with my dad road. So I rode with them, and back then there weren't very many girl riders. There really weren't. I was like one of the only ones until I moved back here. But when I came home, I kept when I lived in the city, I kept my bike at my parents' house in Stone Ridge. And my brother would keep it in his barn in Kerhonkson during the winter. And I don't think there were any women on any of the rides I ever went on. It was my dad, my brother, and all guys. So it's really nice now to kind of get back into biking. I had to give it up for a minute, you know, because of my back to get back into it and see so many female riders. No, there just weren't when I was riding. So but I got my license when I was eight, uh, 16. Um, and then I didn't really need one. I was living in the city, I didn't even need a car. And then when I moved to LA, I didn't even have a car for four years. All I had was a motorcycle. And then I went to the Emmys on my motorcycle because the traffic was so bad going into downtown LA. I put my whole dress and everything under my leathers, put my high-heeled shoes in my bags, rode down, parked in the corner, got out, shook it all off, shook my hair off, touched up my lipstick, and went to the Emmys because I was not gonna deal with traffic and I did not have a limo. So I yeah, that I didn't even have a car. That's cool for the longest time. So, and that's when I think I became a real biker. Okay. You know, real biker soul, real biker kind of gal. Yeah. So you own the bike you were riding last year. Yes. That's what you were. That's your primary ride? Right now. Right now. But you have a something to come and make it. Was that a trike or was that a no? It's a it's a Royal Enfield, actually, which is a fascinating story of how they started during World War I in England. A little bit no other stuff. Fascinating. They they built them so they could get around the rubble, things like that. Really fascinating story. But I had never heard of them. I just happened upon this bike, somebody was selling it, and I got the urge to ride again. It just kind of happened, it literally happened in a day. And it was like, okay, and next thing I know, my friend is driving it to my house, and that was the end of it. It was just that kind of getting back on a bike. Um, and she's a great little bike. I had to downgrade from my big 1100 Honda Shadow that I used to ride because of my back, can't lift too much. Um, so she's a 350, but she's got the power of a much more powerful bike. I mean, when I ride on the big two, 300, 400 bike rides, she keeps up at 70, 80 with the big Harley. So I'm not afraid of her. She's a good little bike. Yeah. Um, and then I got a little, I got a little something, something I'm picking up tomorrow, which is a pink Riker with two wheels in front. Uh maybe you could say, can you do us a favor when you when it arrives and you're ready, we get a picture of this with you and we could put it on our You betcha. Nice. Yeah, I would like to see that. Absolutely. And I can't wait. Two in front, one in the back. Yes, correct. Okay. I tried a trike. When I was gonna get back on back on a bike and I had this kind of gut thing where, well, it's safer to be on three with your back. Um, I tried a trike. And I was not a fan only because it just felt so heavy. Yeah. And it was so heavy in the back. You're not gonna tip over, but I felt like I was gonna tip over. It was just very strange for me with the trike. So the riker is a little easier to manage, and it and for my back and stuff, I think it'll extend the life of my riding in terms of I'm 64 years old, so I'm not a kid anymore. Um, and knees and back, you know, all that kind of good stuff that comes up getting old. Yeah. Um, I like the two wheels, I love the twisties, and I might, if I can, I'll keep her. But I need to have a way where I can ride longer, yeah, further, not be in so much pain. The where I live now, there's a 45 degree hill trying to get out of there at a light. At a light. So that's not fun. No, that's gotta be terrible. Yeah. So um at some point it's kind of like a trading, you know, I'm gonna get used to her, and then I might probably get rid of the two wheels, only because it's still a lot to keep too. So, yeah, for sure. Now, what's the um I've I've seen I've ridden a motorcycle, but I I've never ridden um two in the front, one in the back. I've never ridden a trike. So what's the difference with the like how does it handle with two in the front and one in the back versus a trike? Riding the Riker with or you know, the kind with the two in the front is more like riding a snowmobile. So if you've ever ridden a snowmobile, that's what it's like. That's a good thing. And I uh we actually got snowmobile licenses back in the 70s at Tilson School. We took classes and got a license in order to be able to ride when you were a teenager. So there's more that's more like a snowmobile. Okay. So there's not so much body leaning to to move it. You're really turning. Yeah, you're literally just doing the just like they can sing. Snowmobiles are cool. Snowmobiles are great. I used to we had so much snow back in the day, man, and we used to do transportation shopping and everything with them. Now you don't get enough snow. We were heading up to visit Tessa Potsdam. We stopped at Lake George. And my just as this winter, my wife was blown away of like the snowmobiles coming off the rail trail there from Glens Falls to the Lake George. Hundreds of snowmobiles just pulling into Stuart's gas station again. I'm like, this is the culture here. And that's where that's where we used to trail ours. Our neighbors little Arabies had a cabin and they were skiers. And then we would go up and we we had to share the cabin with them, and we were snowmobilers. So we would, and man, the road was really long and went up this hill, and we would get around on them. It was amazing. It's a cool thing. Yeah, it was really fun to ride. We just don't have enough snow around here. I don't know. I think everybody goes up there now or old Ford. That's about the only thing. You have to get out and get where there's real snow. And then, you know, then it's like, man, I would I would love to do a weekend of just going up and doing a weekend where they rent the snowmobiles and you get to ride because that is just fun winter stuff. They have like that winter carnival in Saranac, and then Lake George does like a snowmobile thing the same weekend. Oh. So there are that's where actually we were on our way up there. So we're talking thousands of people. It's amazing. So there's like this Lake George snowmobile fest. My parents used to go up there. They were in the Tarry Talk Terrell Blazers uh snowmobile club. They set that up. Uh-huh. The Tarry Talk Rock being in Tilson. Yep. And that was the name of the snowmobile group. And they used to go up there as a group for weekends. Of course, we got to stay with grandma and grandpa, so it was fun for the kids. But they used to all go up there because it was just they could literally all it you know, the weather down here even then, it was good. You got snow, but it was still iffy. You were guaranteed it if you went up there. And they were doing on the lake. They would ride right on the lake. So they were doing on this nice racing across the road. I mean, that's fun right there. It is fun. Yeah. Amazing stuff. So let's talk. That's how it goes. That's how we do it. That's how we do things. That's how we do it. Hey, listen, I got, you know, I'm good with that. We're not we're not a linear podcast. Yeah, we're I don't know what path we take, but it does do the motion you just made with your hands. So look, can we just talk about your PhD a bit? Yeah. So that's how long would that take you to do? Five years? I have to think. I did my master's and PhD at the same time. So it was one of those where you can get it all at once. I was I want to say four years total. Four years total. Yeah, with everything. And I was working at the time too, so I was doing films and stuff. I had but I worked the my bachelor's, I went to Antioch University in LA, which is not like going to SUNY New Paul's. Yeah. It's independent learning. You write mini theses every time. That sounds pretty cool to me. And I fell in love with education there because Kingston High School told me I was stupid. I didn't even graduate Kingston High School. I failed out and I got a GE date. Jeff, did you go to Kingston or Antiora? Oh, an Antiora. I used to live down the street from Ontiora before I moved down to Highland. Um, and you know that that really puts a seed in your head where you are no good for anything but the acting that you want to do, which doesn't really take much. That's what you're told. That's how schools rolled back then. Yeah. And it was you're gonna be a secretary. Well, my grandfather was no better. My grandfather was like, all you're good for is getting married, making babies, and marrying a rich man. So he offered to send me to the city, all expenses paid, buy me a condo to go to Catherine Gibbs Secretarial School where they wore gloves and stockings. And I told him he could, you know, take that and you know do something with it that we can't talk about too hard. And just kind of disowned him because I said, I don't want your money. I'm gonna do what I want to do. And I ended up being successful, and he boy had to eat crow on that. And how did that work out? Did he eat the crow? Yeah, well, no, he he just kind of he's old guys, they don't care. I'm not gonna I said, Well, I don't need you, old man. Nice point is I don't need you. I don't want your stinking money, I don't need your money. Um success. And if anything, that was kind of the last time I talked to my grandfather. Okay, all right. So, you know, he just we what my grandmother, on the other hand, his wife, would never miss the play. She was at the pageants, she was like my she watched my USA up all night, and you know, she would she was a big fan. Yeah you know, he was just he was just that kind of a meh, you know, like roady old man. Yeah. So live and die that way, dude. Yeah, not my problem. Good luck with that. So when did you move back from LA to Tilson? In 2011, is that what you said? I moved I'm I moved to Rosendale. My parents lived in Stone Ridge at the time. They moved out of Tilson in 88, I think. Um uh I moved back when daddy got sick in 2011. He was very sick. Um, so I moved back to take care of him. And I I had been away for so long, and he was so good about me not living at home. But I I really wanted to spend that time with him. And I'm I really am glad I did. I mean, I I wouldn't have changed that for anything. I even I I had an apartment, but my mother put a bed in her old shop. She had a craft store, very popular craft store before that. Um, so they had the whole shop. They put a single bed back in there so I could get up and help daddy and give mommy a little break and and help. And then when he passed away, I went back to my apartment. And but I wouldn't trade it. And I stayed because I was like, you know, it's the Hudson Valley, plus very expensive to move back to the city or Los Angeles, by the way. Like I didn't want to have to pick up sticks and move across the country again. I was like, not so much. Um and I love it here. And now that I'm back on a bike, I can't even imagine being anywhere else. I mean, the Hudson Valley is positively and the Catskill's beautiful. How often do you ride you riding? Anytime it's a nice day and warm enough that I'm not gonna freeze my hiney off, I'm on the bike. Okay. So that's I rode like March. I have my birthday was March 2nd, so I've always had a cruddy birthday. It's kind of like that time of week year. You don't have snow to play in when you're a kid. You don't have a snow party like my brother did. Yeah. You can have a spring party, you're inside because it's cruddy. Yep. Well, my birthday was that this year. It's like that every year, March 2nd. But a week later, we had a 75 degree day. Yeah, it was nice. And I went to storage and got my butt, my bike is called the bootmobile. My new one will be the bootmobile as well. They're the bootmobile. Went and got the boop out of storage and took I was so happy. I immediately was cheered up. It's wind therapy. It's just your mind is clear. It just does something for you. So when the weather gets nice and we start getting real warm, because it's not, we haven't we've other, you know, here's the thing. We had those days in early March where it was like 75, and then we've had a couple good days, but it's been a pretty shitty spring. It really has, and it's gonna be bad this week. It's gonna be nice tomorrow, nice Tuesday, and then rain again for another week. So you're out at least a couple times a week once we do another week. If the weather's nice, I'm out every day. Now, do you ride a set of people you ride with? Um, I used to. You know, we hit on this a little bit. I used to ride with a group of girls I do not ride with anymore because it's toxic, toxic, toxic, and and nobody wants to do it. Ableists, toxic, just horrible group of people. Not all of them. P.S. By the way, I'm not blanketing this entire group like that at all. There are some really wonderful women. Yeah. You know, in in the group. But this was like a women's uh women's motorcycle group. Correct. Yeah. Not a club. Like they're not a club. There's a really wonderful actual motorcycle club around here of really far out ladies. I I won't mention them, but people know who they are and they wear blue and they're fabulous gals. Um, and they're a club. Okay. You pledge to get into it. You do all the patching to get in. And they're wonderful groups of girls. It's just, you know, clubs just get too many personalities. Yeah, you know. I was a little much for some of them, and I'm kind of like, am I too much or are you just basic? You know, I'm not expecting it. Yes, yes. You know, take that shit from them, skill. You know, they love the pink until it became too much for them, and they didn't get to get enough. And it's like, now I'm just you're just like enticing me to put more pink on. So now it's the panties, the bra, the socks, everything's pink. I love it. But uh toxicity, you know, women need to be better, women need to do better. Yeah, so you're out, you're not riding with them anymore. No, but I ride with some of the kids from the group, you know, who are in the group or have left that group or just whatever. I will ride with anybody. I enjoy riding. So if people want to get out and ride, hit me up and I go. I just want to be out on the ride, riding on the bike. The roads here, the the it's just such a beautiful. Well, what when you're riding, you know, what's your average size ride or where you roughly go? I know you go all over. It really depends. Like when I was riding with some of the girls, we had this uh, which was kind of fun because it got you out. You were forced to get out. You had a challenge. So we had a scavenger hunt challenge. You had to hit all these firehouses. So you would get out, and like we had one girl, one of my friends who I still ride with, she was fluffy. She wanted to hit so many in one day. And I was like, okay, let me um yeah. I mean, I you meet the challenge. You know, the challenge doesn't meet you. And oh my god, we were out for way longer than I thought I'd be out. It was like six and a half, seven hours. But she was great. Stop, you know, we'd have ice cream, stop. Yeah, that's the way you do it. Um, and I it was so exciting and so much fun. We went everywhere, we were up down almost by yonkers, okay, and then up by we were everywhere. So it depends on the day, depends on who I'm riding with. If I ride by myself, when I used to live up in Shokan, I'd ride the reservoir down to Stone Ridge, down into and then ride a different way back up and then ride up to Phoenicia. Uh the cat scale's a lot by myself, just just popping around. Now I'm in a new place. I'm more down by New Paul's Highland area. I have to find a new jam. So it's gonna be the Schwangunks and things like that. And you know, I'm looking forward to doing all the mountains and things like that, and you know, down this way more. We took them on rides. We'd always start kind of up there and some cool rides here. Beautiful, yeah. Yeah, so we we all cycle, and the cyclists, the motorcyclists and cyclists like the same roads. So I'll be riding and like groups come by cyclists. And we have to we talked about that actually last year because it's I think there's so many people, bikes or cars, but cagers especially, you know, have a problem with bikes, mo bicycles. Yeah, and you know, bottom line is y'all, we need to share the road. So I think motorcyclists have a lot more respect on others with two wheels because we get it. I would have the visibility, the danger, the being in the road on two wheels with no protection. It's a very similar thing. Yep. Um, and we get that. We give y'all room. We know how to do that. And I've seen bikers, you know, move over a little bit for motorcycles coming through in a big pack, you know, things like that. But we can share the road. It's the cars that have a problem with all of us on two wheels. So I was riding my bike, and I pull into I don't know, some deli somewhere up in the Catskills, and a group of motorcyclists just wheel in. Not huge group, but it was probably 10 or 12. So they come in and the guy parks next to me, and I'm sitting on my bike, and he gets off, looks at my bike, you know, like, what's this? And he's like, dude, nice ride. Yeah, there you go. And I was like, you too, buddy. Well, the thing is, and we just laughed. It was like a moment, shared moment. Invest as much into their bicycling and their bikes and their equipment and their everything to go with that as motorcyclists do. Yeah, sure. It's not a cheap hobby or sport at all for bicycling. No. Um, so it's a very similar kind of a world culture. Still cycling, that's what I say. Exactly. Motorcycle, bicycle. That's what I mean. We're all on two sharing the road, and we need to be good about that. And if we only cagers would get that. Because I've seen people aimers me out. Cagers. I'm sorry, yes, cage cagers are cars. Yo, dude, that's the ultimate insult. As cars fly by me on a bike, I'm like, fucking cager. There you go. I'm really all uh every time anybody is a real nugget, you know, and I I the do you oh you I can't know what what I can and can't say on here. You can say anything. No, douche douche nuggets. I call people douche nuggets. So to shorten that up, I call them nuggets, just a frickin' nuggets. Nugget. So I'll be like, I'm like, you frickin' nugget. And I'll be cagers, y'all freaking suck. So listen, there's And they're like, they don't like that. It is so insulting to call them a cager. And it's like, it's just a car lighting up, Karen. Listen, we have a lot, we have a lot of cyclists that listen to this podcast, and they're gonna be like, so psyched the fact that we have the cagers. Cagers, that's a new one for y'all. Definitely if you're on a motorcycle or a bicycle, and they start messing with you, call them a cager. They do not like you. Love this. No like e. So do that. It there you go. We are welcome. Cage. So I I'd like to I'd like this is fascinating stuff, obviously. Amazing. Um I'll have to do it. But I'm really curious about your um the other side of your life when you mentioned what you do uh or what your PhD was in. Did you practice anything? Were you? I didn't. You know, my original idea when I went into psychology, I tried I tried law. I was still acting, but I thought I just want I just needed a mental challenge. I needed something else that was not just memorizing scripts and doing that. Yeah. And I just liked challenges. That was kind of me. So I tried to, I was gonna go to law school. Ah, you did a bet you picked up. Well, I realized that with my mouth, I would end up in contempt of court. I would just be in jail. I would be Skittles a desk in a toilet. You're going to jail. There was no way I would not end up in jail telling some judge to go f himself off. I just couldn't have. I was like, yeah, that's not gonna work. So when I didn't know, douchegot. I would have that would have been my favorite. You are a judge douchenugg, you're honored. I am. Um but so I just was like, yeah, no, I liked it and I was fascinated by it. But I just, yeah, not my not my thing. I'm too, I'm too like this. But um, when I did my bachelor's, I was 30 when I did my bachelor's, and I I did a lot of psychology stuff and I fell in love with it because I was involved in a relationship with somebody who was deaf, came from a hearing family, lack of communication, and they were abusive. That's how I ended up disabled. I got thrown off a three-story balcony by my ex and beat and knocked off my motorcycle, got my teeth knocked out with a club. It was horrible. And I thought, well, how can I do something out of this to learn why this person is this way after it was all over, and and figure this out because there wasn't much being done about it in terms of deaf communications with hearing and deaf people in a family and all these problems that that causes. Um, and that I focused on that, and I thought my original goal was to become one of the first actually deaf therapists for deaf people who's what year are we talking? This is 1996. Okay. Um, and then I was like, you know, I don't I had set up uh the the first, and I don't know if it's the only now, but the first support group for deaf battered women in Los Angeles. I set that up. It still runs. Um and I did some therapeutic sessions with people when I was doing my masters just to kind of help them out of situations and getting them restraining orders and working with the deaf battered women's shelter and making them accessible. I did a lot of that. And I thought, you know, I just I can't again, it's like the lawyer thing. I can't sit and listen to people's problems all day and say I'm gonna solve your problems in an hour, but I'm gonna suck your money dry for the next five years until you're so fucked up I can send you to another therapist. That just I didn't like the mind games of therapy, so I was like, no. So what I use my PhD for, I did my my dissertation was in the communicate the effects of oral communication on deaf children in adulthood in interpersonal relationships. Yes. PhD dissertations titles are long, they're very long. I sound like a frog. Um but they're very long. Um, and it it was a study of my ex's family, just using different names, doing the family systems therapy mode. And boy, did it help me figure out a lot of stuff of why this person was so messed up. And it was a great dissertation. Um, and now I I use that uh I lecture. I was teaching at uh medical college, uh, medical students how to work with hand uh deaf people, disabled people, hearing dogs, interpreters, and giving them lectures. I was a standardized patient, the first deaf standardized patient in the country. Um and I I did lectures like for entertainment things and how to be accessible. I do a lot of lectures on access, interpreters following the ADA law, all that kind of stuff. That's like my expertise. So I also work in films as an advisor to make sure the sign language is right, the culture is proper, they're hiring authentically deaf people, that it's represented properly and things like that. And you can tell the difference when somebody is, you know, qualified to be doing this. So that's what I use my PhD for. It's amazing. That's amazing. So I'm I'm Dr. Jen. I'm also a reverend. I perform weddings. Any weddings. I do weddings too. I got one coming up this weekend. Reverend Dr. Dr. Jennifer Delore at your service, sir. Nice. I'm an American Board of Disability Analysts. Let's not get our resume too long here, Jennifer. Um I'm a little braggadocious, I think. That's okay. I think you deserve it. I think you um I'm I'm kind of really interested in what you're saying because uh, you know, my like I said, I have a sister who's dead. And she grew up in a hearing family and it was it was very har uh she struggled so, so hard in uh school and went to a hearing school. There was no deaf school. Well they couldn't do shit back then and they they the teachers didn't know what to do, the school didn't know what to do, they put her in remedial courses when she was smarter than that, and she didn't do well enough. Not frustrated, they did not a school level because I just let out she wanted to take Spanish. The teacher was like two days. She's like, I can't work that school. You don't know how to say it right, you're not hearing me, but it's like, no, no, no, you're not saying it right. The job is to teach her how to do that, though. That's your job as a teacher. Right. And so these people in in and what I've learned from all the years with with with my sisters, like, you know, the hearing world is has is really still much um doesn't really understand how to cope in uh in in dealing with deaf people uh and and living in that deaf world because one of the things that she said to me many, many years ago, um we had some friends, I had some friends over, and we were we were teenagers. I mean we were like 16, 17 years old, and we're all hanging out, and she's older than me, but she was there, and everyone's talking, and we're talking like this, right? I'm not looking at Skittles right now, I'm looking at Glenn. Now Tommy can hear me. Tom can hear me when I turn my back. Oh yeah. And you know, like I'm talking like this, and you you she can kind of hear it. She wears hearing aids, but you miss so many small things, so many nuances of a conversation that like to uh people sit like this, like you're doing right now. My hand is near my mouth, you can't see all the things I'm saying. And I remember one time I had to tell my friend, I was like, look at her when you're telling this story. I can hear you in the back seat. I tell that all the time. I'm like, you guys in the crowd here don't need to see their face. You don't need to see at me. They don't need to see they don't understand that. Right. Now I contact with people, there's always the talk about that, but I'm like, in this context, I don't need to see your face. She needs to see your face because she's gonna miss big parts of this story. Even the look on your face when you tell the story. Right. So much of when people are signing, so much of that signing is coming from their facial expressions. Correct, because that's your facial expressions are your vocal the equival equivalent to vocal inflection. Right, inflection. And they're more important than the signs or whatever, too. We can understand more. Because if you go, you were and your face is angry, but your words are not, we think you're angry. Right, right. That's it. Right. And so like things like sarcasm or or like uh sarcasm is a big one that gets missed, and you're like, How do I interpret that? Is that are you you know? So she struggled so much in in her whole life and uh relationships um and and all of that. So and she's a great, she's an amazing person, but like, you know, it's it's uh it's that would have been a great thing for you to do, and it's a great thing for anyone listening who's interested in something like that, because teaching that to not only the families who are living with it, we tried really hard to to make sure that we were inclusive and and knowledgeable that she couldn't hear everything. Um, but we even had extended family who like, you know, they I remember we had an uh uh an uh a relative that came over and we always had closed captioning on the TV, right? Oh, and they hated that. And and he was like, Can you turn this off? It's distracting. Yeah, and we were like, I remember my mother, I thought she was gonna throw him out the window. Yeah, I'm gonna go. Jeff, you don't want to get this relative under the bus? No. These are the same people who will watch foreign films with you know the words in English on it, but they won't they won't like like captions for deaf people. People who listen, by and large, you know, people will always disappoint you. It's it's that's uh uh kudos because that's a I mean you lived it, and so you use that to shape some of your life, so that's really awesome. And it's way more knowable than being a lawyer. Matter of fact, I'm I'm so you're published authority. Yeah, a lot. And I'm a American Born disability on this, I've done stuff like that. But that's my focus. Never this is amazing. It's not like being a therapist, it's not that at all. I have worked with families with elderly people who have lost their hearing, they don't know how to do that. Hearing it's just a listening devices, this, how to hearing aids work, this, how to do the cap, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and that's my wheelhouse because I don't have children. I have I want to leave a legacy of some kind of change. The whole Tex 911 in Ulster County, yeah, you're welcome. Nice welcome. Because I got stuck, my deaf ass was up in Shokan in a cottage, my landlord was down in Long Island, the ice storm happened, and inside my house was 28 degrees. I had no way to get out. My car was in the garage with an electric opener, and my back, I couldn't open it. I had no idea what to do. I couldn't text 911, I couldn't call 911 because I needed Wi-Fi to use my relay with the interpreter. Right. I had about three seconds of data show up on my phone, one little itty bitty line, and I posted to Facebook. And I've got like 25,000 followers on Facebook, and they are wonderful. I love you guys. Um, they're wonderful. You have no idea. One of my fans from my movies in Ohio, you know who you are out there, baby. Saw my poster. I said, I could die here. It's 28 degrees. I can't get out. Help somebody. And it got on Facebook. He started, he goes, Wait a minute. We're a fan of Hirsch. I know she lives up near Woodstock someplace. I know she lives in New York, so it's not, and he did some research and started like everybody was in the comments, kind of going, No, wait, we know this about her, we know this about her. And sure enough, they called the Ulster County Sheriff. That's great. And they showed up in my house and got me out. And I wrote a letter to the Freeman that was scathing. They only let me put that much in because I am wordy, it would have been five volumes. But it got the point across that it was we are all, it was during COVID. We are all in this together, unless you happen to be deaf. Then you ain't nothing with nobody. Masks. We couldn't understand anything. It was a nightmare. That was a nightmare. I'm a big nightmare. We actually tried a recluse. We tried those masks. Oh, they were terrible. Those clear masks. The clear masks. Yeah. And my sister's like, fucking fogging up. I can't even. The kids of help. The idea of them was wonderful. The idea was nice. But the thing is, we were by law, we were allowed to wear full screens, and they were a lot easier. But I actually went into stores and the bank refused to give me my money. I went to cash out because I didn't have a mask on. I said, dude, I'm more protected than you are. So I got a mask that's going here. There was a interesting. I think just real quick, it's like, oh, you wear hearing aids so you can hear. No. Well, people think what you're hearing. So people, I tell them I'm deaf. They're like, you don't sound deaf, or you're not really deaf, or you can interpret, or you can hear music. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, shoot me now. Because the the the ignorance. It's both. It's both. A little bit of the sound. If you wear glasses, does that mean you need a frickin' German shepherd and a red-ending cane? You're not frickin' Helen Keller. You're not lying. You don't need a dog and a cane because you wear glasses for Christ's sake. Doesn't mean you can hear a 747 land on your head. It's a spectrum of hearing, just like it's a spectrum of vision. Yeah. There's no one or the other or black and white, and people don't get that. Because I've had people go, you're lying, you're faking. And I'm like, you can suck it. Suck it. That's what Ellis says all the time. You can suck my dick. It's in a box next to my bed. That's what I'm saying. And that's the way I that's the way I roll. I'm such a nice Christian girl, aren't I? There was a guy at the back. Sometimes it's not in this box, baby. There's a guy at work who had a deaf student, and the student had a 504, so he had to put the mask on with the thing. I remember that. And the student, after like three days, the student's like, hey, you gotta take that mask off. It's like a serial killer. He's like, I'll figure it out. Right? And he's like, yeah, we'll figure it out. They figured it out together. It's like, but it's too disturbing. Nobody would write anything. Nobody would help. I mean, it was, it was like I said, I'm a very social butterfly. I am complete so was, was. I'm very different now. It changed me in a very bad way in the sense that I became like a recluse. I don't like to go anywhere because people have zero patience. They don't under Oh, well, we had a hard time too. I said, You are not getting it at all. Listen, deaf people, we listen. We actually pay attention. Shut up and listen. We could not understand squat. Yeah. No. And none of you would step six feet away and pull it down. Not a one. Nobody would help. They wouldn't text. They wouldn't run. They don't think about other ways to communicate. And it's a nightmare. And people now, I'll tell you what, you were talking about that with your sister. You know, racism is bad. And I mean, people still get away with it because people are scumbags. Yeah. But it no bueno, man. You catch somebody doing that. We have somebody at my apartment building, it's horrible. This is the one hour you moved to? Yeah. And I went off on his air. He tried to say a bad word about Hispanic people because he looks at my skin and thinks we are the same. We are not the same, Mr. You know what? We are not the same. When you start calling people by racist names, we are done, motherfucker. Like, dude, it's 2026. And I told him so loud that they heard me in the office. They were like, damn, girl, go. I said, I'm not tolerating that nonsense. That's not a lot. But but some reason, ableism and autism, still okay. Still all right. People think that's okay. Yeah. And I always I think people who are racist who are who are autist are probably also racist, secret, you know, they're all these other things too, because they're judgy fucks. But they have no understanding of hearing loss. They're like, you can't be deaf, you talk. And I'm like, oh, because yeah, that's it. You don't sound deaf. You don't sound deaf. I love that. You don't look this is the best way. You don't look deaf. I'm like, what? What? What do deaf people look like? Because I'm really curious at this point because I know thousands of them. What do we look like exactly? Well, you don't look like one. That's a little sketchy right there. But it's still okay to be I the motorcycle group that I was in, the biggest problem. I have I have lawyers working on it, in fact, was their ableism and autism and refusing to provide an interpreter for an event and refusing to even make it. I have a couple friends, these are the ones I stayed friends who pull their helmets down, make sure I understand, or use hand signals that I can understand. And these literally refused an interpreter, refused to look at me, would do this on purpose just to make sure I didn't understand where we were going, what the safety thing was, where we were gonna stop, how long we were gonna be out, on purpose, so I didn't know what was going on. Yeah. That's also bullying. Yeah. Besides the point. This is the reason why an elder abuse. I mean, if I could add a list to it, but I ended up complaining, and now I got lawyers on it. So you know, you fucked with the wrong one. I agree. I'm just saying, if I know somebody like somebody who's going through, they should be. They should be very afraid, believe me. They got in huge trouble. Um, and if somebody's out there and they need you need my help and you're a deaf or hard of hearing person and you need some kind of help like that, advocacy, get with me. Find me on Facebook, find me on social, email me, Dr. Jennifer Delora, PhD at Gmail. I will put it all out there. Get me. What was your Instagram again? Jennifer Delora. You know what the good news is? Um ASL is becoming more and more commonplace. So in our school, it's offered as a second language now. Sign language. So it's getting more popular. It's the third most popular language in the United States, which is, you know, people don't even know that. The problem with this is, and this is this is where I'm gonna get real sketchy, and my PhD is gonna get pulled right out of my pocket, both of them. Hearing people teaching ASL. It's cultural appropriation. They don't get it, they don't know it firsthand, they don't know it culturally. They're hijacking our culture and teaching it wrong. So here's an example. You guys, are we on camera? That you can see this. Okay, you guys can see it. So I'm gonna show you for an example. It's one of the first things I teach my students. Nice to meet you. Put your hands like this and slide it across your palm. Nice to meet you. One person, one person. Meet you. That's it. Nice to meet you. Hearing people teach it. That's nice to fuck you. So I have hearing people who are taught by hearing people coming over going, nice to fuck you. How that you go lesbian instead of go lunch. You want dike, it's dinner, not dike, it's this, because there's so there's such nuance to it. Now, would you like to learn Spanish from the girl who, white girl who works at Taco Bell and makes your burritos? Or do you want to learn Spanish from a person who uses that as a first language? I'm thinking the latter. So I tell people if they learn from a hearing person, it's Taco Bell Spanish, because we don't want to talk to people like that. We can't understand you. It's cultural appropriation, it's hijacking our culture. They cannot teach about our culture and history. You don't know it. You I can't teach black history. I am not a black woman. I'm not a black person. I have a bit of a it's a great point. It is a good point. It's a great point. And people use it for social media cloud. I got an email from somebody, and I love my fans and I love my followers. But I get emails from people going, I love this song. Can you teach me how to sign it? And I get it. It's a beautiful language. And I sign music. I have an inter I've interpreted on stage for Reba, Winona, Liza Manelli, Diana Ross, toured with the go-go's. I have done it all. So I know how to do performative interpreting. I've I've done all that stuff, and I'd have done one woman concerts and shows. Um, it's a very different language performatively than conversationally, it's completely different. Um, and they just want to learn how to do that for likes and for social media. And it's like, stop using a culture for clout. That's like putting braids in your hair and you know, all kinds of black hairstyles or cultural hairstyles from the islands, and and thinking it's not appropriation. Of course, that's appropriation. This is the same thing. So this is where I get very passionate, and you can hear the passion. I know. I get I go passion. Hee hee hee. Dude, this is serious stuff. They need I was the very first deaf teacher to teach at Ulster County Community College to teach sign language there, and it had to take a petition of 500 people to get it to happen. And then I got fired because they refused to fire, put interpreters in the room for a meeting for me. What? That's too hard to deal with you. Would rather have a hearing person's theory. I said, You better never have a sign language class here again here, ever. Ever, because I'll get it shut down. But that's what are they doing now? I have no idea, but they better not be teaching sign language because the woman that taught it before was hearing and I met her and I could not understand her. And her students would be, they took like three years with her. You took I teach on Zoom. I teach on Zoom. I've won several chronic Grammys for like years in a row for best internet teacher, best uh got a most popular local celebrity I got three years in a row. First place. I I got that, and I got uh best uh vision um virtual learning and best classes and workshops. That's great for the when we walked up to met you that day, the parade, we really lucked out. You said, go, Glenn, go over there. You see that girl on the Harley or something like that. In the pink. Go get her. Yeah, go get her. She looks interesting. Now you're stuck with me. We love you, man. I will I love you guys. This is like the most fun I've ever had in an interview in like 40 years of doing this stuff. This is the best. I'll say this though, as we're talking about this, and with my own family member, like uh who can't hear without assistance or really turning it up loud. She can hear music and hear, you know, she could listen to the podcast. I'm not even doing enough for deaf people to hear on my own podcast. Like, we don't have what's do with it. We'll transcribe it. I'm gonna help you make this. I'm gonna help you make this thing accessible. There's no transcribing it on your phone. Yes, there is. There's live captions on your phone, there's ways to put in captions, and auto captions kind of suck because you'll be surprised what we get. That's not the real word. Do the do the do the platforms have them build in? Um, some of them don't. Like I add captions to everything I do. We should definitely check this out. I can help you do that. I can help you get it captioned. If you need something and you don't have it yet, I can get my ass in a little box and interpret it for you. Whatever you need. I am more than happy to help you guys make this as accessible as you'd like it to be any day. That's lame. I'm sure some of the platforms we do have it, some don't. Yeah. And the thing is, if you have it like, and I just found this out too, because I was like, huh? I use my phone, and if I even have it on mute and I want to watch something, yeah. Um, you just you press the volume button on mine anyway, press the volume button, and a little box will come up on the bottom. Press that, it unloads the captions, and it'll it'll have the captions on top. You can make it bigger, smaller, whatever. No, you're auto captions on your phone that'll caption everything. Are they always accurate? No, because they're auto captions. Yeah, they're not always great. It helps. It's better than nothing. Better than nothing. But then if you're doing videos or doing things after you do it, a lot of people know live things are not going to be captions. It's harder to get that to do. It's very hard. Um, but once it's out, you can put the auto captions on, or you can, you know, hand caption it, put it in. I do that on TikTok and then just correct them. But it's so it's so doable. Um, and if you it, you know, if you put in the caption thing or like on TikTok, if you just put that there's captions, it'll all of a sudden show up if people want them. Um, I also add the hard captions on my stuff just because I want it accessible to everybody. Right. Um, even though I'm signing it, not all deaf people sign. That's right. So I want my stuff to be accessible to all people. I try to put in pictures uh visual things as well. I'm working to be a better advocate for a visually impaired people as well. I'm working on that. It's harder to do with sign language videos, though. Um but I teach if you guys ever follow me on Facebook, I teach well now it's MotorSec, Jennifer Adele Dolora. Dolora. Dolore. D-E-L-O-R-A. All one word. Dolora, okay. Jennifer Dolores. So Skittles. We have to we're gonna wrap it up. Oh darn, I thought we could be here through lunch. I know. We'd be here for we could be here for days. I'm telling you. Um, but we can also have you back on another time. I would love that so much. And I'll bring my motorcycle. And when you get your new motorcycle, yeah, for sure. Um so we ask uh our guests three questions, kind of cap it off. Okay, kind of always the same three questions, but um so the first is uh what TV show did you watch religiously as a kid? I love Lucy. That's how I molded myself and I was compared to Lucy. Um and Ethel Merman with my voice when I was a singer. Ethel Merman and Lucy with the comedy. I love Lucy, which I can still watch and still quote every day, and that was my inspiration for being a comedy actress. Okay. Listen, Lucy is a great show. She's all the reruns and everything. They're a great idea. It's just brilliant comedy. She was a physical comedian, she was a genius. Um, and even as a kid, I didn't realize what a genius was. But when I did Antioch University and I had to write mini theses, I wrote an entire paper thesis comparing and contrasting Lucille Ball's drama acting to her comedy acting. She was amazing. And I ended up getting a huge thing for it. So that's cool. Yeah, so I studied that. Next question. That was a good question. Let's go. Move on. Um, do you have any um like a guilty pleasure song? Guilty wild thing. Not that one. I like my tone loke. Oh, dude. Oh, my motorcycle playlist, the first song on my playlist for every ride, no matter what, is let's do it. Boom. Wild thing. Let's go talk. That's me. Ow! Thank you. Yeah. I know. Right now, my family's upstairs. Oh, watch this. Nice. We got the kiddos and lights. Yeah. Oh, wait. Oh my god. It's going away. All right. I can even do that in sign lack of things. I can sign that song. That was cool. That's my favorite song. That's my guilty song. Sundays eating up, baby. Alright. So this is going to be a good one. Uh uh. Um, so uh if you had a sandwich named after you, what would be on it? Does that have your real sandwich acedable? Or can it be filled with ham and cheese? Wink wink. Whatever you want. All the things that I am ham and cheese and sweet and sour, a little bit of bitter. Um, something fun. Nice. Something fun and mixed up and something that's delicious. Like what? Give us a give it a little bit. My favorite sandwich is a pastrami on ryeben with Swiss cheese and some nice old dressing on that. That's my favorite. Listen, a pastrami ruben. Yes. Oh, like a pastrami rubin. I used to go to a place called Rubens in Manhattan. Okay. And that's like a weekly thing. That's my favorite sandwich on the planet. Pastrami Rubin. Can I just know something about the Rubin? Yeah. I love the Rubin. I went to a new restaurant in Newfoundland, opened by my friend Tommy Eye, former. Oh, that's right. Is he open? Yeah. He's got a Ruben on the menu. You can choose pastrami or kabasi. Whoa. I'm like, let me try the kebassible. By the golf course. I have to do that. I'm going to have to pop down on my bike and go have me at lunch. Yeah. That sounds good. I haven't had a really good pastrami in a long time. Is it called Tommy Eyes? Yeah. All right. I'm going to have to go do that. Tommy Eyes. If I had to make up a sandwich about me that kind of represented me, it would be full of ham and cheese and like tomatoes and onions. Because I can make you cry, good or bad or ugly. Whether I'm smacking you up verbally or physically, I can make you cry. You guys should have seen the video I posted yesterday. Y'all would have cracked up. Is this on social media? Yes. And it's it's very funny. You guys, I think you get it. It's a voice, I do voiceover stuff. Like I'll do the voices, the popular voices that are going viral. And it's that the she has coffee in her hand. She goes, How do you like it? She goes, From the back with you pulling my hair. She goes, I mentioned coffee. Oh, it's fine. I do videos like that. So I do them in sign language too. And I do like all these really dirty, gross, gross videos that people don't interpret for deaf people to understand the comedy. I do them instead. Okay so that deaf people can get into the gross humor as well. I love it. They're equal access for gross humor, I think. I'm gonna show my sister and she can start following you if she does. And you also can learn some sign from me. I do the sign of the day, I have a whole thing of sign of the day. It went viral during COVID. This is your Instagram account. Or you do Instagram and Facebook. And Facebook. I started on Facebook during COVID because everybody was making bread. So I taught free sign language classes and it went viral. I ended up all over the news, and then I got all over the news for getting interpreters during COVID. It was me also. You're welcome. The texting 911 and the interpreters you see on screen for New York State, Ulster County. That was me and my fight on the news and stuff. So I take my work very seriously. Yeah, you do. But I'm I don't take life very seriously. Um, but that's the kind of stuff that I've now I lost my train of thought. I need more You know, my sister, my older sister and Jen, Kindred Spirits. Yeah? Totally. You guys would hit it off. Yeah, me. My wife's already texted me. She's like, she's just like Ant Dina. My family. They're like Is she crazy too? 100%. All right, she's my kind of people. 100%. And you have your sister reach out to me too. I'd love to have another deaf friend around. I will. Yeah. Um, family too. If you need anything, thank you. Don't ever hesitate. Um seriously, that's what I I love to do that because I know that it means something to people. Yeah, right up. And all they need is a little guidance. Yeah, that's awesome. And compassion, by the way. You know, people hearing families of deaf people need compassion just like the deaf person does. Yeah. Because it's not easy. That's right. It's hard and it's a challenge, and people need to understand that. Yes, they do. It's a very different world. It's a totally different world. And I appreciate it. You don't know it. Yeah. And it's it's hard to understand if you don't live it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I hear that. So I'm here. You know where to find me. Thanks, Kittles. Knife pleasure, babe. Jen. Yes, sir. This has been an amazing podcast. This has been an amazing podcast. I have like hey, how long has it been? It feels like it just popped like this. You guys are. We're gonna have you back at some point. Absolutely. I'd love it. You are the king. All right. Thank you. Have a great Sunday. Have a great Sunday, all. Woo! Wow thing.